WRABF…..ERABSF…..USARB 25 meterTarget post 11/30/15

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    Strever
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    Allen i wish i had known who you were i would have said more then hi 🙂
    Frank you should have told me he was there
    & good shooting Allen

    Dick

    Allen getting his medal

     

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    SRGTO04
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    Thanks Dick  
    I know who you were from Mark B.  Also good shooting to you in that wind in HV class.

    Allen S

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    Yrrah
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    For those who don’t read the General page or may have missed these, I posted the results of each day as far as 30 to 35 of the 40+ places or one page.
    Here they are again for this part of the Forum.

    For those who may wonder why someone from OZ on the other side of the globe should hold such interest: I know some of the shooters personally, Doug, Vipha, Matt and Abdul and Paul with whom I shot against at last year’s World Championships, and have formed relationships with others.

    BR is a global sport with much to be celebrated in common. I can truly empathise with those who found the conditions to be difficult. Brisbane last year was a similar challenge with only Three 250/250 shot from memory from 90 shooters from 15 countries. 
    So I would like to just say – well done for being there and for doing your best. It is a bit like prize fighting in that all is laid bare and it is impossible to not see your own results in relation to those who may have done better on the day.  We should celebrate for one and all; and where possible take away what we can to perhaps improve our own skills and understandings.
    So, well done to Kim and Frank, Allen and Dick and any here who shot and I may have missed. … Best regards, Harry.

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/usa-benchrest-nationals-open-class-completed-results/

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/usa-benchrest-nationals-lv-sub-12-fpe-class-completed-results/

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/usa-national-championships-hv-sub-20-fpe-class-top-5-shooter-aggregate-plac

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    CampFussell
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    Thanks Harry, your input is always appreciated.  I’m sure Kim and Frank, Allen and Dick wished you could have been there.

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    Salticon
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    hope to go nevt year,,, got to practice in wind more

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    Coldking
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    Thanks Harry- 
    after my first Match,I went back to the hotel in shock! I Couldn’t believe how poorly I’d done. Talk about a range of emotions !!
    I had never seen or shot in such  conditions like these ,I mean we get winds here in Florida on a daily basis but the winds are mainly unidirectional, so its just watch your flags and adjust for the degree of it. But wind changing direction in a nano second ! Nothing in my state comes close – maybe tropical storm conditions? —
    But reading these winds requires a completely different skill set- but if you look at the top score’s, you see it can be done. And the average scores being Between 700 and 730– you Just need really good wind flags and constant practice in such conditions –  I remember looking at some score results on different forums -and thinking -what’s wrong with these guys?cant shoot for Schitt ? But now I get it! There are places out there were a 730 can be a winning score! From great shooters! Ah the Internet —– 
    Doug and Vipha Miller are 2 of the nicest people I’ve ever met – Paul Bendix – Allen Suratt and Mark Bucanun – all the guys/gal from Arizona !
    Dick Strever, Ron Silveira Rodger Lovett Matt Kellerman, Kim Zussman, Linda Koch -everybody who competed in this event is truly a Marksman! All deserving a medal !  I do believe if not for these crazy winds , the winner would have been decided by X count – and possibly a sudden death shoot off? These guys and Gal are that good!!
    I truly enjoyed meeting EVERBODY that I type to on these forums –
    from LD to Tim Macmurry – Joe Brananco and his sons — James Brinkly 
    the list could go on and and on–
    to see so many top shooters in one venue, all sharing a love for all things air gun! 
    And the gentleman who made this all happen, Mr Joe Freidrich, I mean he is one hell of a guy! Everything from food and drink to the officials using scoring boxes and professional grade magnifiers –
    all scores were double and triple checked! Rifles that posted winning scores were then taken in and weighed for limit and shoot over a chronograph –
    It was unfortunate that two gentleman were disqualified from a win due to these violations —
    it’s a hell of a thing to witness – very sad —
    hell before the start of light varmint – I took my rifle in for weighing and a chrony. It  was shooting way above the FPE- (12 FPE ) and was 10.6 lbs -supposed to be 10.5lbs –
    I had to adjust it down in FPS and strip it of many add on items like bubble level and even the rear butt plate -scope caps turent caps etc—-
    I’m also told that the heat of the day, going from very cold to very Hot conditions  can make an incredible DIFFERANCE in Chrony readings – so you really want to stay away from the edge,so to speak–but in the end this is how you run a first rate event– lots of volunteers and grounds Staff- everything first Rate !-
    but I would also say, what a DIFFERANCE time of day makes – the top score of 250 was posted early in the AM and that same gentleman posted a 236 on his last card! -the conditions got progressively worse as the day wore on. Actually couldn’t wait for the day to end, the analogy of a prize fight is a good one Harry , cause when I was finished – felt like somebody had beat the hell out of me! Even Vipha Miller said the day was completely exhausting due to the level of concentration needed —-
    the only thing left to say is one word – HUMBLING ! 

    CK

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    And for those who haven’t shot a relay in this manner – each shooter – shoots one card- then the next shooter sets up and shoots his or her Card –
    and this continues through ( in our case) 3 relays  – 
    giving every shooter similar wind conditions rather than a first relayer sitting and shooting his complete set- then the next shooter sitting –
    the way we shot the event seems to be the most fair way to conduct it………..
    i do belive all those who participated can go back to their respective clubs and pass on these techniques to facilitate the fairest matches possible
    take Care 
    CK 

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    “Coldking”And for those who haven’t shot a relay in this manner – each shooter – shoots one card- then the next shooter sets up and shoots his or her Card –
    and this continues through ( in our case) 3 relays  – 
    giving every shooter similar wind conditions rather than a first relayer sitting and shooting his complete set- then the next shooter sitting –
    the way we shot the event seems to be the most fair way to conduct it………..
    i do belive all those who participated can go back to their respective clubs and pass on these techniques to facilitate the fairest matches possible
    take Care 
    CK 

    
I understand they do one additional step at Worlds to even the playing field:  After each card, you move to a new bench for your next card – several over from your last.  So your 3 cards are shot at 3 different benches.  This theoretically mitigates advantages and disadvantages of certain bench positions.  Of course moving benches would be a hassle and add a lot of time to the match.

    Many regulars at Open Grove believe that the best benches are sometimes the extreme left ones, other times the extreme right, depending on the direction of prevailing wind.  

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    Coldking
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    I think that’s a great idea as well,Kim 
    i know at Salem we moved 5 benches over for each card- also drew lots for bench placement –
    and there might be something to it with benches that hug the perimeter – with obstacles isolating or buffeting the flow of winds? 

    CK

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    “Coldking”And for those who haven’t shot a relay in this manner – each shooter – shoots one card- then the next shooter sets up and shoots his or her Card –
    and this continues through ( in our case) 3 relays  – 
    giving every shooter similar wind conditions rather than a first relayer sitting and shooting his complete set- then the next shooter sitting –
    the way we shot the event seems to be the most fair way to conduct it………..
    i do belive all those who participated can go back to their respective clubs and pass on these techniques to facilitate the fairest matches possible
    take Care 
    CK 

    
Sounds like those guys ran a very professional match.  I like the fact they changed benches as well as rotated shooters.    That makes for a level playing field.  Maybe we should do that at the November 19 match, that way, everyone will have a chance using the most wobbly bench.  Tee hee.

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    Coldking
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    Them wobbly benches would add a whole new dimension to a wind storm shoot, Paul ! 😆
    Tell me something Paul -are there any benches that don’t need a wooden brace to stabilize em? 
    i can’t remember which bench I’d sat at? But even the premade brace didn’t help it- only standing and pulling the trigger
    also do firearms guys use them benches? Just wondering why that club doesn’t invest in at least repairing them?
    it really doesn’t do any good to purchase a 1000 dollar Ranolph rest and set it on a wobbly table?
    Regards 
    CK 
     

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    Salticon
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    ill take the wobbliest table plz!!!!

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    Coldking
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    LOL! Maybe we should have a few drinks to get us going?😬

     

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    Coldking
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    OR MAYBE IT SHOULD BE (BYOB )
    BRING YOUR OWN BENCH ?😬

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    jps2486
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    Life is too short for me to deal with the Board to change the benches.  There aren’t any serious target shooters here except us.  And unless the bench is concrete, I wouldn’t lean on it, brace or not.

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    Yrrah
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    “Kim”

     

    
I understand they do one additional step at Worlds to even the playing field:  After each card, you move to a new bench for your next card – several over from your last.  So your 3 cards are shot at 3 different benches.  This theoretically mitigates advantages and disadvantages of certain bench positions.  Of course moving benches would be a hassle and add a lot of time to the match.

    Many regulars at Open Grove believe that the best benches are sometimes the extreme left ones, other times the extreme right, depending on the direction of prevailing wind.  

    
Yes Kim.  The shooters change benches, generally about a 3rd of the number of benches along which sees each shooter placed somewhat in the range of geographical locations that may be less or more favourable.

    The problems relating to equipment compliance were basically negated at The Worlds 2015 in Brisbane by testing every rifle prior to the match.
    As well as shooting I was in charge of that procedure for the Air section. I was a busy man with two helpers, one weighing rifles, and John Harrison and I testing velocity. We had checked the two Chronographs used to ensure their values. If any shooter had queried their results we reserved the right to double check with both Chronographs. Not one shooter asked this to be done.  I can only recall one shooter having to go away and retune the rifle.  When shooters spend that much money to get there and they proudly represent their country they don’t want avoidable problems or embarrassment.

    Any external power adjustments were taped. Rifles without external adjustments had the action taped to the stock. Tape and stickers had WRABF logo.   There were no disqualifications from 90 shooters which is a very satisfactory result.

    Most rifles shot 10 to 20 fps on the low side of the power limit with the WRABF proscribed pellets (provided by WRABF) for the calibre.  I can only recall a very few shooters who indicated using heavier pellets. These have to have 10 pieces weighed and averaged then shot for power compliance.
    All this protocol is in the WRABF rules  and it is worthwhile reading.

    Frank, I had figured your “home town” winds for what they have been from your reports. A constant predictable wind is the best condition for shooting groups (and therefore scores). It is probably even better than what we may think of as “calm” conditions.    To test the latter – get some feather down and release it down range and watch it go down and up, this way and that; and imagine the pellet dynamically adjusting to those nuances of low and higher pressure air “densities”.
    But as you wrote and implied, only much time spent in all sorts of wind and turbulence will prepare you for it (providing you have a good memory).  You did well and scored consistently and obviously enjoyed the whole experience 🙂 ……….  Best regards, Harry.

        

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    SRGTO04
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    Open Class Results

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    SRGTO04
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    Heavy Varmint Results

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    Light Varmint Results

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    I understand some of you guys are taking a little break, but since I don’t have a Thomas or a RAW (yet). That doesn’t mean I don’t like to look at what others are shooting! How about posting a few cards for me to dream “I could do that”?  ;)

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