WRABF…..ERABSF…..USARB 25 meterTarget post 11/30/15

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    CampFussell
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    Check out “them specials”? I checked out Renae’s Spaghetti 😉
    Watching the last night of the RNC now 😉

    Too hot outside for this fat boy 😉
     

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    Coldking
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    LOL- got the convention on- but would have been great to see a fist fight or something?
    😉
    CK

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    CampFussell
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    Alrighty Franstrodamus

    I managed a couple more cards for ya today. You know how I love to embarrass myself on here 😉
    You had asked me about those damaged tins I received so I shot a couple of cards from the worst tin.
    I guess you could call it sorted since I discarded about 44 deformed pellets from the tin. 44/400 gave me about a 11% percent that were damaged.
    I didn’t look them over under a magnifying glass or anything like that. Just kicked out what I saw with the naked eye and certainly didn’t weigh them!

    Shot the first card off my el’ cheapo Bald Eagle front rest with rear bag from the trusty ol’ picnic table at 28 yds, just a hair over the 25 meter limit.
    Shooting the 13.4 gr JSB monsters about 7:30 pm in mid 80 degree weather with low humidity and almost no breeze for a change.

    I flubbed the very first shot on the first card and barely eeked out a 9 on that shot then it was ten ring after ten ring till shot 20? And really flubbed 21 through 25?

    So I scored a 245 with 7 x’s on that card. Then tried a second card and I got worse? 242 with 5 x’s.

    Here’s the first card, figured the second card wasn’t even worth posting.

    The damaged tin which is the worst one far right


    The 44 pellets I kicked out

    This is where I shot from with the Bald Eagle rest

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    Coldking
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    Thanks Jimmy! 
    Man those 44 pellets sure do look fcked up!
    so do those tins— shipped by gorilla’s 😆
    But really good looking cards yah got there! 
    Should be nailing them 250s in no time?
    so what do you think bout this batch? Any better?
    CK

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    CampFussell
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    It’s hard to tell? But that’s the first time I shot 18 ten rings in a row? I don’t have your skills, so it’s hard to tell if it’s me or the pellets or whatever 😉
    I do know this is the most consistent shooting rifle I have shot for accuracy so far.

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    Coldking
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    Well then you need to do a side by side comparison ? 
    Maybe shoot a card with the regs -and then shoot a card with the specials?
    but your shooting damn good – ! 
    CK

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    nomojo65
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     Just trying to figure out this game! never mind the scribble on the target, really have no idea how to score this target? was shot with a TM-1000 .177 @ 33yds. Would like to try my hand at this, Reminds me of the old Score Postal Matches. ( this is not a official target, just one I printed offline )

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    CampFussell
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    Wow, mighty fine shooting nomojo.
    We’ve just been ordering card stock from Joe Friedrich at [email protected] Base cost is $20/100 for 25 meter targets. Additional shipping cost varies by destination, so you’ll need to email Joe beforehand to ascertain exact payment.

    The link I found  say’s
    Targets will be professionally printed on 11″ x 17″ 80 pound (175 gsm) white Vellum Bristol paper, using an accurate to scale approved .pdf file.

    Target and Scoring

    But really no need to go to that trouble. We welcome what ever you want to post here. We’re just a bunch of nuts encouraging each other to do better.
    Then we have top notch shooters like Frank AKA Coldking who shoot so damn good he scares everybody off!!!!!! LOL
    My aspirations are to shoot half as good as Frank one day! Welcome to the nut house!
     

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    nomojo65
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    Thanks for the information on targets, I will contact Joe and order some. I have to admit I’ve been following this thread for some time and the cards that you guys are shooting are very impressive ( I’m no where near that caliber of shooting!) this type of shooting is very challenging, but also fun, and I can see why it could be addictive!

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    Coldking
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    Nice shooting nomojo65! 
    Jimmy -had a chance to shoot a set with them new JSBs – had hoped that the wind would die down but a storm front is moving in, at least it cooled things off a bit 
    but my best investment so far has been the portable fans! The Milwalkee is super- with a loin battery that goes on forever –
    but that Labradar eats AA batteries like crazy- just put a set in, and after and hour or so says -not enough battery power to show a reading? Fck that- need to hook er up to a 5volt cellphone charger – skip the batteries –
    anyhoot -these are the 3 cards shot with them new pellets 



    to tired to shoot another set 
    CK

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    CampFussell
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    Nice shootin’ Frank, glad yours arrived intact. You must have the right connections 😉
    No time to shoot this evening had to mow grass before dark.
    Tried to check my Labradar against my Combro MK4 , but wasn’t paying attention and blew the Combro off the end of the barrel. It’s pretty much FUBAR. Just glad I didn’t shoot the Labradar. If I can ever find my damn F-1 Chrony I want to do a comparison?
    Got her shootin’ the monsters about 818 FPS now, if my Labradar is correct?

     

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    “nomojo65”Thanks for the information on targets, I will contact Joe and order some. I have to admit I’ve been following this thread for some time and the cards that you guys are shooting are very impressive ( I’m no where near that caliber of shooting!) this type of shooting is very challenging, but also fun, and I can see why it could be addictive!

    
Glad to see ya on here nomojo
    I need some help. Frank’s whoopin’ me bad I need someone to help me enjoy the pain!!!!!LOL
    Look forward to more of your targets. BTW, you’ll have no problems whoopin’ me!
    Peace and USARB grease

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    John_in_Ma
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    I’ll help ya with the pain Jimmy. I got to mounting my scope and sighting in my AA at 30yds today after work. I even got some shots over the chrony. Set at 780fps avg I got an es of 7.8fps with a SD of 3 for 30 rounds. Oh, and no more regulator creep. The culprit was a metal shaving embedded in the valve face, which  had also scored the valve body. All is good in my world now though and I will have time to shoot some underwhelming cards tomorrow.

    On a side note, I had asked Todd Banks(MD of the North East Regionals) to set up a couple of FT lanes for the afternoon on saturday and he decided to leave the whole course in place! So I get to shoot a BR match in the morning, and a FT match that same afternoon.

    Peace and Multiple Discipline Grease

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    nomojo65
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    Think I’m going to order the JSB monsters, and give them a try, have been using JSB 10.3’s & believe or not some old CP’s 10.5 gr., they average around 890fps, my E.S. on the JSB’s are 15fps while the CP’s are 10fps. I can average smaller groups with the CP’s but more flyers? I weigh all the pellets and have to wash the CP’s (very dirty), probably wont shoot now for a couple wks, family coming into town! buy the way I live in MI. quite warm up here for us! (95deg)

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    Kim
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    Today I noticed the box for my ProChrono says “Accuracy of 1%”.

    Yikes.  How can you evaluate ES in the range of 1% of FPS, when the measuring device itself introduces this much error?

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    CampFussell
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    Oh man, best of luck at the Regionals John.Todd sure sounds like a nice fellow! Love your dedication man. Hoping we can get Frank motivated to go, but I understand the difficulties of a 1000 mile trek!

    nomojo
    My Cricket didn’t like the Monsters at all, but my Thomas seems to love them?
     

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    sharroff
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    Found a newer cheaper tougher target for you guys to shoot at for distance / wind (from another thread here)    

    Let’s see who can get the farthest 5 in a row.  A hit to the putty means start over.  Honor system of course, no video needed.

     

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    Coldking
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    Looks like fun Sharroff! 
    Hey you can post what you’d like here – it’s all in fun –
    we mainly shoot the 25 bull USARB BenchRest targets though as some of us go to area shooting events to compete —
    your Steyr looks like a real shooter as well! Keep em coming –
    Kim – on the accuracy issue with Labradars and standard Chronographs – I think for the type of shooting we do -+/- 1% should suffice 
    in my day job I use more eleaberate equipment such as Co detectors – and they need higher accuracy – also need to be recertifeid on a regular basis —
    I’m sure you have such equipment in your line of work as well?
    i was chatting with Jimmy about the weighing sorting and sizing – and must say -I really don’t see any noticeable difference at short range i.e. 25 meters –
    but do weigh em and do a visual with a magnifying glass- for upcoming matches –
    kind regards
    CK

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    Kim
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    I agree that 1% is good enough to make sure you’re shooting in a given power class – Open, HV, etc.  But what about evaluating ES?

    ProChrono says “Accuracy: +/-1% of measured velocity, or better”.  (Not sure about Lab Radar)

    ProChrono Digital

    Say you’re shooting 800fps and want to know the gun’s ES.  If there is +/- 1% variation in reported velocity due solely to the chronograph, a high performance benchrest gun can’t be properly evaluated.

    For example, say a gun was capable of a 20 shot string of all perfect 800fps.  If the chrony overlays random +/- 8fps on the perfect gun’s string, the ES could be as much as 16.

    It could work the other way too.  If a non-perfect gun shoots extremes of 810fps and 790fps, and the chrony happens to drop 8fps from the 810 and add 8fps to the 790, the reported ES would be 4 instead of 20.

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    Coldking
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    I’ve found that ES of up to twenty really has little difference on poi — at 25 meters –
    now if we are talking reaching out past 100 yards — 
    would need considerably tighter ES –readings as well –
    the Thomas shoots somewhere between 10 and 15 ES on most days — 
    with negligible difference in POI — 
    ‘wind seems to be the biggest mitigating factor –
    but it’s always a good idea to use two chronys for comparison –
    I think for tournament qualification -maybe two different brands should be on hand?
    CK

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