would you shoot a coyote with a .22 rimfire,I am asking because quite a few

people are asking is a .22 PCP pellet good enough,or a .25 PCP....and they have a lot less energy...

it seems like it is more about how good a shot you are and how close you get,like it is an"art" that needs to be learned.

I know part of reason for air guns is because it takes more "skill" to kill.

Sure you can do it,but what makes you think they can....?
 
I wouldn't shoot a yote with a 22 rimfire. 1st the potential of pass through is higher. 2nd you have be super conscious of your surroundings more so than a PCP. You could shoot a yote with a 22 pcp but you would want to make sure it shoots slugs or a heavy pellet generating around 50 ft lbs, and pick a headshot. I have taken a yote with a 25 caliber pushing 75 ft lbs using a hollow point slug at 65 yards or so with an anchoring headshot. It was in an area that a powder burner was not an option.
 
It's a debate that will never be resolved. You are absolutely correct in that shot placement and range to target are important. Many members simply choose to answer this type of question on its technical merits. The human element is different for each shooter, and it's an exercise in futility to try and put everyone into the same category. Even a high-powered powder burner can cause much suffering in an animal with poor shot placement. What is a sure shot for you may not be for me, and vice versa. I am very comfortable shooting mid-sized game animals with a 25, but then I also consistently hit paintballs at 70 to 80 yards during practice. Not everyone will practice enough to be competent at the ranges they want to hunt at. In the end, I don't usually have the information needed to decide whether or not another shooter "can" make the shot. Best I can do is answer the technical side of the question, and encourage them to be as humane as possible.

James
 
It's a debate that will never be resolved. You are absolutely correct in that shot placement and range to target are important. Many members simply choose to answer this type of question on its technical merits. The human element is different for each shooter, and it's an exercise in futility to try and put everyone into the same category. Even a high-powered powder burner can cause much suffering in an animal with poor shot placement. What is a sure shot for you may not be for me, and vice versa. I am very comfortable shooting mid-sized game animals with a 25, but then I also consistently hit paintballs at 70 to 80 yards during practice. Not everyone will practice enough to be competent at the ranges they want to hunt at. In the end, I don't usually have the information needed to decide whether or not another shooter "can" make the shot. Best I can do is answer the technical side of the question, and encourage them to be as humane as possible.

James

👍. Very true not everyone is the same when it comes to ability. I grew up on powder burners and longest kill shot was at a little less than 800 yards with a 333 lapua. I shoot enough pcp especially lately I am comfortable to a 100 yards with a 22, 25 or a 30 cal.
 
One thing I have found out through experience 22 rimfire has a much harder Bhn lead round nose or hollowpoint than the typical PCP shooting bullets . The Bhn is somewhere around 7 to 9 but softer with greater expansion much more damage than a typical 22 rimfire . A 22 BBT hollowpoint out of my Jkhan 22 at 60 foot pounds opens up to .45... almost 1/2 inch expansion,..my 25 and my 30 are much greater than that . It’s not all about foot pounds of energy in my experience it’s also about the projectile and the damage that it is capable of .
 

Yeah. I can't tell you the number of coon I shot through the head with a .22lr. Then they fell from the tree and sometimes still try to kick your coondog's arse. Some can. Is that a humane kill?

To some the only humane way would be to live trap it and give it an overdose of morphine intravenously .

I'd use the rimfire every time. PA Eastern coyote are 40- 50 lbs..
 
The question to me is how accurate your 22 rim fire is. A lot of cheap 22 rim fires are not accurate enough to take a head shot on a coyote at 50 yards. You need a accurate shooter and gun in both the PcP and .rim fire world alike. On a side note I never killed a coyote, but my dog did this February. He is a rescue dog that happens to be a English mastiff pitt bull mix. 😈 The coyote was 35 lb male. 






 
I've killed a couple of foxes with a .22 rimfire, and both were clean kills. I was squirrel hunting at the time, or I would have had more gun. As others have said, all the variables have to be considered. It would not be my weapon of choice, but it works okay with precise placement, which is key. I've seen ground hogs crawl away with half their body blown up with a high velocity centerfire varmint load. It was the wrong half!
 
The OP's question is whether I would shoot a coyote with a .22 rimfire. That answer is no. That is my answer for me, not you. I have been hunting 60 years and have taken a lot of game and as any hunter who has the experience I have will tell you all of your kills will not go as planned. Because field conditions are not always optimum and adrenaline is pumping. . I have adopted the policy that if I need a brain shot to humanely take an animal I will get a more powerful tool. I have shot squirrels with a .22 cal air rifle through the head and missed the brain and they were still alive two hours later when I retrieved them so I now I take front shoulder shots. I ruin some meat but when meat means more to me than a humane kill I will quit hunting .It was mentioned that coyotes are vermin, so what, they still deserve to be taken with a quick humane kill not a shot through the head than misses the brain where he runs off to suffer. A 150 grain centerfire bullet traveling at 2800 can miss the brain and still kill a yote on the spot where a 22 lr will not. That centerfire will also make a quick kill in the boilerhouse and the 22lr will not. The 22 lr will kill and has killed many coyotes but then it has killed deer as well but I think we can agree it isn't the optimum choice for either.
 
New here, maybe I could offer a slightly different perspective.

We often compare the options available to us, and pick subjective measures of what's humane or ethical. It's human nature, but it isn't very effective for settling debates. Yes, the shooter matters, the shot matters, the conditions matter, the critter's actions matter - IF you're trying to compare one caliber to another. But what if we back up and take a wider approach? How do most animals die in the wild? Starvation, disease, or being killed by another animal. If they're lucky, the last one lasts less than a few minutes. But most of the time, an animal is going to suffer for days, weeks, even months while in the process of dying. I would imagine if given the option between suffering for potentially minutes because of a shot that doesn't result in instant death, or weeks, the coyote would choose minutes. Let's say you wound one, that ultimately lives for weeks or months suffering before dying. His end was likely going to follow that same trajectory anyway.

This isn't an endorsement of shooting indiscriminately. Or of not practicing. Or even for trying to get away with minimum force possible. It's just simply to put things in perspective. Nature isn't cruel - that's a common misconception. She's just incredibly indifferent. It matters little what we think about the way nature takes it's course when we aren't around - it's going to take it's course. And we've lost touch with what that course is given our lack of exposure to nature. I think it's important to remember that no matter what amount of suffering we inflict on an animal by attempting to shoot it with a deadly weapon, in almost ALL cases, it likely would have suffered as much or more if we had never crossed paths. 

Our effort to reduce that suffering is one of the many valid arguments for hunting. It is precisely why it is such an effective, and decent way to make groceries, not to mention it's role as a management tool. In my opinion, it is a hunter's responsibility to educate meat eaters who don't hunt on just how much suffering they inflict on animals to put that food on the table. And the only way we can make that case, is to do our best to kill animals with LESS suffering than is caused by the meat industry. That is not hard to do. From there, any increases in the efficiency of killing an animal are simply to help the hunter grapple with the fact he's ending a sentient being's life. I think it's useful to admit that the gap between a natural death and a slow one caused by an imperfect shot is so much wider than the gap between an imperfect shot and a DRT shot. This perspective will lead to a more honest assessment of hunting tactics, and probably help some folks sleep at night.



Happy Hunting. Love the forum - great information for someone new to PCP's!
 
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Take the on line air gun prevaling attitude and its endless excuses to justify, to fish and game, safari club, woods and water the NRA or any organized sporting club the world over. Maybe then you will begin to understand the damage it is doing to us all. 

Profesgary. That you for having the courage and taking the time. I am happy to report we are the fastest growing segment of the air gun community. With your inclusion our numbers have doubled!
 
 I can almost "see" two different camps of thinking on this subject,then a third one comes along....I have never thought about the softer lead in a pellet,nor the pass through...that was a good point as are other points...

Coyote=vermin sames to make it easier to justify ,"just shoot the damm thing..."

Another aspect people may not think of ......life changing situations that make you realize all life deserves some form of respect,be it to die in a respectful manner,like hunting....Hunter vs. game.... we should understand many of those vermin and so called pests are also hunters...sure we do not like what they hunt or the way they may do it...they,vermin either get good at it or die

We as hunters and yes stalkers should do our best to promote the sport and be equal to the "game".

Maturity does not mean age or experience...for me,but a wisdom to present your case with logic that even a non hunter could understand. just kill the damm thing Henry...LOL....


 
For a few years we had a lot of coyotes harassing our dogs and killing our chickens....

Even though I live bordering the FS on three sides we have neighbors 75 yards from where I usually take a shot, so if possible I wanted to keep the noize down. So I shot some yotes with my match 22rf. I poked a hole in the chest of 3 of them, all 75-100Y away, and they all ran off so I quit using the 22rf. I knew they would die, which reduced the likelihood of more yote problems but I still felt bad.

So I got out my 17 Remington centerfire, which did DRT's, but one yote I shot offhand at 125Y, taking the shot because the grass was tall, and hit it's backbone. I took my 30fpe 22 cal PCP out there to finish it off. At 30Y I shot it in the head, the coyote wasn't affected much??? I walked up to 15Y, same thing happened but it kind of knocked the yote out, when I walked up the yote started moving, it wasn't dead like I thought it was. I put the barrel to it's head and the pellet penetrated to the brain. After looking closely the first two shots deflected off the skull and tore the scalp?????????????????? That woke me up!!!

I wouldn't shoot a yote now unless I had a very powerful slug shootin PCP in the 200 fpe range, but that's my own conviction on this subject.