Winchester 1977XS Velocity and Accuracy Testing - GGG

Winchester 1977XS Velocity and Accuracy Testing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ICwl3hXNvU

Today I performed velocity and accuracy testing with some interesting results on a Winchester 1977XS .177 caliber pellet rifle. Let's see if this gun can hit the manufacturer's claimed 1000 FPS.

Gamo Raptor PBA 5.1 gr velocity testing - 11:15

Daisy Pointed 7.56 gr start velocity testing - 19:12

Daisy Pointed 7.56 gr accuracy results - 34.30

Daisy Pointed 7.56 gr FPS/FPE Charts - 40:45

Daisy Hollow Point 7.56 gr start velocity testing - 40:55

Daisy Hollow Point 7.56 gr accuracy results - 59:06

Daisy Hollow Point 7.56 gr FPS/FPE Chart - 1:01:03

JSB Exact RS 7.33 gr start velocity testing - 1:01:14

​JSB Exact RS 7.33 gr accuracy results - 1:08:55

JSB Exact RS 7.33 gr FPS/FPE Charts - 1:11:07

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The above vid isn't mine and the guy shooting isn't me. I posted it so ya'll can get a general idea of how the Winnie 1977XS performs.

The Winchester1977XS: amounts to a souped up Daisy 880 w/ a different stock. The Daisy 880 gets approximately 656 fps / 7.6 fpe w/ 7.9 gr .177 pellets & 10 pumps. The 1977XS gets 838 fps / 12.3 fpe w/ 7.9 gr .177 pellets & 10 pumps.

I've had mine since January, 2021. I ordered it from Academy for $69.95. Initially, I popped off a couple of shots w/ 5 pumps. WOW! That 7# stock trigger may be the worst 'lawyer proof' trigger I've ever seen.

Aside from the trigger, I liked it. Shoulders nice. It didn't come w/ an owners manual. I downloaded a manual for it from Pyramid Air.

At first I low mounted a Tasco 3-7X20 on it instead of the high mount 4X32 it came w/. Using Daisy wadcutters I sighted in at 10 yards and the last groups fired (using 3 pumps) were 0.5 inch in size.

Half inch groups at 10 yards w/ an unmodified trigger. I figured I'd keep it. *Smiles*

Since then, I've been modding it. Filled up the hollow buttstock w/ silicone caulk. Which made it balance a LOT better and made it feel more solid at 4 lbs of weight.

I took it apart & did the CC shim trigger fix & removed the flat spring. I can definitely agree w/ Joseph Lewis' (aka JL's) opinion of reassembly of the trigger group being 'the tricky part'. No freaking kidding it was the 'tricky part'.

Anyway, got it back together w/ no extra parts laying around. Heh.

Tried it out. The folks that say the 1977XS trigger is still stiff after trigger mods know what they're talking about. Trigger pull is around 5#'s now. It's not nearly as bad as it was. The safety still works. That's good, I guess.

'Not being as bad as it was' isn't exactly a glowing recommendation though. I imagine a few hundred shots from now it will have eased up a bit.

I got some heat foam tape to quiet the CLACK sound when pumping. I also removed the lower latch spring. Pumps quiet now.

Acquired a LDC from Geo Schoonmaker for it. A shot at 10 pumps will sound like a shot w/ 3 pumps Which is quiet. Shooting it w/ 3 pumps at 566 fps w/ Daisy 7.87 wadcutter/flatheads, which is what I usually do for nailing hosps, sounds like I'm spitting. The LDC also steadies the barrel the same way the duct tape barrel fix does for the Daisy 880.

I also made a slice from a foam ear plug, made a rectangle out of it and superglued the rectangle to the slot in the chamber for BB's. W/ out that mod, pellets can get into the BB magazine when rolled into the chamber. I also bought cross action tweezers from Amazon so I could precisely place the pellet in the chamber. Lastly, I acquired a .177 pellet pen from Air Venturi and made a scabbard to hold the pen and the tweezers on the stock using duct tape. 

After modding it, I changed the scope to a Barska 4X32AO w/ mil dots and sighted it in for 25 yards.

Best performance can be had w/ Crosman 10.5 gr at 15 pumps which yields 810 fps /15.2 fpe. 10 pumps w/ that same pellet is good for 745 fps and 12.9 fpe.

5 pumps w/ Daisy 7.87 yields 655 fps / 7.5 fpe and 5 pumps w/ RWS 8.3 gives 660 fps / 8.03 fpe. Both pellets give 1 inch groups at 25 yards.

This 1977XS might well become my favorite air rifle. Lightweight at 4 lbs w/ scope, accurate, powerful and the trigger mods are easing that trigger up nicely.

What's not to like?
 
Here's a comparison of the Daisy 880 and the Winchester 1977 using a (Xcortech X3200 Mk3 chronograph) and testing pumps vs FPS for un power modified Winchester 1977XS (with Geo's LDC) and Daisy 880 (bone stock). Pellet is the Daisy Flat Nose (made in Spain) weighing in at 7.87 gn.

# Pumps - Avg FPS - Extreme Spread - Muzzle Energy (fpe)*

Daisy880 Win1977
3 n/a 562-6-5.5
4 504-28-4.4 617-15-6.6
5 538-6-5.1 655-19-7.5
6 574-13-5.8 690-16-8.3
7 626-20-6.8 731-20-9.3
8 668-27-7.8 771-36-10.4
9 688-13-8.3 809-16-11.4
10 708-14-8.8 838-6-12.3

Velocity averages are mostly from 5 shot groups (some have more shots, some have only 4 shot averages). The Xcortech had no problems with registering the Daisy 880 velocities (so these are all 5-shot averages), but I had a lot of errors with the Win1977 velocities. I estimate almost half the shots had a reading error for shots with 7 or more pumps. The 9-pump and 10-pump Win1977 numbers are based on 4-shot groups since I ran out of patience with the chronograph. 

I did a quick one-shot 10-pump test on chrony the other night w/ my 1977xs and it was 745 fps = 12.94 fpe w/ 10.5 gr Crosman domes. 

I haven't gotten to the full test yet but I've since seen well over 900 w/ 7.0gr and 810 w/ 10.5gr using 15 pumps! This is a 15+ fpe gun w/out mods...has anyone ever even gotten an 880 to that w/ mods?
 
Winchester 1977 -- I fired 2 shots to verify impact with Daisy flathead 7.5 gr., then w/ 10 pumps shot through my chrony at 3 ft. from the muzzle and got a real shock....
799.0 FPS.

Here are the 3rd though 7th shots from the new out of box rifle.
799.0
802.6
791.4
804.2
782.2
For a 795.8 FPS. Avg. and 10.5 ft. lbs.

10.5 gr. Crosman Piranha’s
717.9
703.8
703.2
710.7
701.5
For a 707.4 FPS. Avg. and 11.6 ft. lbs.
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Quotes from Geo Schoonmaker at: 
https://www.airgununiverse.net/wp/winchester-1977xs-out-of-the-box/

The first pellet I chronographed was the super light Winchester alloys that weigh 4.32 grains. I couldn’t get 1000 fps with these, they topped out at 975 fps. 
A drop or two of oil on the pump o-rings would likely push them over the 1000 fps mark. 
Next, I went to the pellet of choice for these rifles, the RWS Superdomes. At 8.3 grains, they will allow us to gain some energy. 
They didn’t disappoint, averaging 772 fps, or 10.99 FPE at 10 pumps. This is considerably higher than a 880.

What was even better was their performance at 5 pumps – 660 fps, or 8.03 FPE. 

That is about 20 fps faster than my first 880 could do out of the box! Since they did so well at 5 pumps, I shot a 20 shot group at 25 yards. 
Here’s the result: With all but 3 pellets landing in a half inch square, I’ve got to say this is a good shooting airgun! Keep in mind, I took the 
gun out of the box, scoped it with the 4×32 it came with, and shot this. No barrel cleaning, no tuning, just out of the box. At the price point, 
the power level, and the features, this is a hard to beat multipump!

Translation: 1977XS has the same velocity at 5 pumps that the 880 has at 10 pumps.

2nd Quote from link:
To see the maximum power potential, I loaded up some H&N Sniper Magnums. These massive 14.97 grain pellets just barely fit in the loading tray, but come cruising out of the barrel at an average of 628 fps – a tad over 13 foot pounds! This tells me that the platform is just begging for a .22 conversion, might be able to hit close to 15 foot pounds without even doing power mods.

 
In case anyone ever wondered ... Daisy 7.87 flathead / wadcutters work great on pigeons when fired out of a Winchester 1977XS at 7 pumps for 731 fps / 9.3 fpe. The pigeon I just shot at my bird feeder certainly thought so. That wadcutter slammed it right down and it was DRT. My cats are playing w/ it now. 

That's why those Daisy 7.87 wadcutters are my 'go to' pellet w/ that particular air rifle.
 
Daisy 880 vs Winchester 1977XS "Full Review" by Airgun Detectives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFkiWiElx0

This is a full and complete review of the Daisy 880 and the Winchester 1977XS. The Daisy 880 is a true classic and the Winchester 1977XS is an upgraded version. But is it worth the extra money? These are very affordable and part of my commitment in developing this channel was to review airguns for all viewers, regardless of economic status. Simply stated there is an airgun out there for everyone! We will show you the performance and let you decide.