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Too bad CHUCK about your new Wildcat leaking air. I just download the parts list on the Wildcat from FX Airguns. I think I will try to order some of the more needed o rings from a place like the O-Ring Store. I believe it should cost a lot less for o rings from them.
The O Ring Store
http://www.theoringstore.com/
The FX Airgun Download Support page with Wildcat drawing US version
http://www.fxairguns.com/support/
Chuck if you have time to look at the parts diagram I linked could you indentify the o-rings you will need to replace. Thanks Again Bill
The O Ring Store
http://www.theoringstore.com/
The FX Airgun Download Support page with Wildcat drawing US version
http://www.fxairguns.com/support/
Chuck if you have time to look at the parts diagram I linked could you indentify the o-rings you will need to replace. Thanks Again Bill
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There is something to be said about issues like these. I agree with Chuck, first off when buying a 1k+ gun, you are expecting a level of quality. Why else would we spend so much on a gun if we were not looking for quality. But the thing is we don't always get the quality that we paid for. What we get is a gun that may or may not have some issues that leave the buyer with unnecessary grief and frustration. We get the run around when we would like the issue resolved but in the long run it just sucks more and more money out of you. That's not right in my book.
My .25 wildcat has a similar leak as well. So what should I do, send it back to AOA with money out of my pocket and be down a few weeks on a brand new gun. Or option 2 would be to do what Chuck did and get a set of Orings taht he should not have to pay for in my opinion. Here's the thing how is he going to know where the leak is coming from. SO he needs to change them all out! More time that will be needed to disassemble and reassemble the gun. It's simply ridiculous. I feel that when you spend 1k+, you should not have to deal with these issues. Am I asking for too much? I don't think so.
My .25 wildcat has a similar leak as well. So what should I do, send it back to AOA with money out of my pocket and be down a few weeks on a brand new gun. Or option 2 would be to do what Chuck did and get a set of Orings taht he should not have to pay for in my opinion. Here's the thing how is he going to know where the leak is coming from. SO he needs to change them all out! More time that will be needed to disassemble and reassemble the gun. It's simply ridiculous. I feel that when you spend 1k+, you should not have to deal with these issues. Am I asking for too much? I don't think so.
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Boombots74 I totally agree with your view and hope I do not have any problems when I receive my Wildcat. O-rings are fairly cheap and a spare set should be included with the rifle particularly when some people are having leaks right off the bat. Plus as you said Chuck should have not had to pay anything for them. That is one reason I requested AOA to put out maintenance videos for the air rifles they sell since it is such a hassle to send them in for repair. Bill
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Air gun bill,
Thing is o-rings are cheap, but it's not the industry standard to include them with the gun. There are some that do, should it be common practice as an industry standard? Why not? I own a BSA R10 MK2 which came with grease and o-rings. Go figure. It just frustrates me when time after time again the high end guys fall short and it not just a few cases. It's quite a lot. And the only losers are us who have decided to pick up the fascinating hobby, we don't deserve this. Quality is above all, we paid for it, we should receive it.
Videos are great, I would love that, but again should we have to invest our time, which is money, figuring it out on a brand new gun. Maintenance is fine. I'm all for that. But a new gun, come on!
Thing is o-rings are cheap, but it's not the industry standard to include them with the gun. There are some that do, should it be common practice as an industry standard? Why not? I own a BSA R10 MK2 which came with grease and o-rings. Go figure. It just frustrates me when time after time again the high end guys fall short and it not just a few cases. It's quite a lot. And the only losers are us who have decided to pick up the fascinating hobby, we don't deserve this. Quality is above all, we paid for it, we should receive it.
Videos are great, I would love that, but again should we have to invest our time, which is money, figuring it out on a brand new gun. Maintenance is fine. I'm all for that. But a new gun, come on!
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Orings are cheap, as long as you don't get them from an airgun dealer. I can't believe how much they charge for orings. Ive gotten every oring that needed changing so far from Home Depot in the plumbing section. Just a couple dollars for a dozen or so, and they all have worked just fine. So these new airguns we buy are new, but some of the orings are not new. I saw dry rot and cracking orings on a brand new barrel and fill probe. At least orings are an easy fix. When I change orings I put a tiny bit of clear silicone grease on to lube and protect it.
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I have not torn my Wildcat completely apart. Only down to replacing the regulator oring. It was a very simple fix and was back to shooting in no time. Still a very accurate gun. Accurate enough for me that is.
When I reviewed my Marauder 22. I spent approximately 6 months if not more tweaking and modding to get it to where I was content. Total cost was about the same price of the Wildcat. I received my Wildcat in December. The only issue was a small leak in the regulator. And I'm anticipating leaks elsewhere. Which I am well prepared for. The time saved for less maintenance, mods, and accuracy was well worth every penny IMHO.
Chuck thanks for sharing your posts. Enjoy your Wildcat! ....whoop just shot another pellet through the same hole
When I reviewed my Marauder 22. I spent approximately 6 months if not more tweaking and modding to get it to where I was content. Total cost was about the same price of the Wildcat. I received my Wildcat in December. The only issue was a small leak in the regulator. And I'm anticipating leaks elsewhere. Which I am well prepared for. The time saved for less maintenance, mods, and accuracy was well worth every penny IMHO.
Chuck thanks for sharing your posts. Enjoy your Wildcat! ....whoop just shot another pellet through the same hole
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"he is graciously shipping me a complete set of replacement o-rings, along with a half a dozen extra breech o-rings for just $39.00. "
Wow ona new rifle ????
Wow ona new rifle ????
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I seen a lot of leaky AG go through my shop--up to Daystate to Steyr.
I pre-check the AG for leaks if it wasn't here for leak repair.
1. if AT cant be removed: if there is over 100b in the AT I mark the gauge needle with a tape and and check next morning.
2. if I can remove the pressurized AT like the cricket, vulcan, edguns ---- I'll dunk it in water to check for vary slow leak.
Pre-check When letting the AT seat over night, if you just filled the AT you have to let the air temp inside the AT equalized with the outside temp---lets say 1 hour, then outside temp has to be the same through out the night till you check the gauge tape marking. I work in a shield and temp change a lot--so if the outside temp went down by 10 degree the mark needle will be lower--most of the time by 5-10b, now I move the tape to the new location and take note of outside temp then read gauge the next morning and take note of the outside temp---I know if the needle move lower I have a leak. So its best to test for leak in an area that has constant temp through out the night.
will be making a lot of repair and maintenance videos for the wildcat at: http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/wildcat
The site is new and under constructions Trying to finish the FX impact 1st and 1/2 done at http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/fx-impact
I think I'll stick with the Impact format, and make the rest like it. best viewed on desk top - lap top screen with higher resolution
BP Tuner
Ernest Rowe
I pre-check the AG for leaks if it wasn't here for leak repair.
1. if AT cant be removed: if there is over 100b in the AT I mark the gauge needle with a tape and and check next morning.
2. if I can remove the pressurized AT like the cricket, vulcan, edguns ---- I'll dunk it in water to check for vary slow leak.
Pre-check When letting the AT seat over night, if you just filled the AT you have to let the air temp inside the AT equalized with the outside temp---lets say 1 hour, then outside temp has to be the same through out the night till you check the gauge tape marking. I work in a shield and temp change a lot--so if the outside temp went down by 10 degree the mark needle will be lower--most of the time by 5-10b, now I move the tape to the new location and take note of outside temp then read gauge the next morning and take note of the outside temp---I know if the needle move lower I have a leak. So its best to test for leak in an area that has constant temp through out the night.
will be making a lot of repair and maintenance videos for the wildcat at: http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/wildcat
The site is new and under constructions Trying to finish the FX impact 1st and 1/2 done at http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/fx-impact
I think I'll stick with the Impact format, and make the rest like it. best viewed on desk top - lap top screen with higher resolution
BP Tuner
Ernest Rowe
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Agreed. I have observed the same with my wildcat. I was out shooting in the sun and the guage was slightly above 210 when i came inside. At night the guage fell below 210 and the first thing that came to my mind was a slow leak. In the morning the guage went up to 210. It was a relief for me.
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Sniperlabyo,
Yes, for sure temp will have an influence on your tank pressure. But if you have it indoors, day after day and the pressure is just dropping by 15 bar per day, then you know for sure you have a leak.
Yes, for sure temp will have an influence on your tank pressure. But if you have it indoors, day after day and the pressure is just dropping by 15 bar per day, then you know for sure you have a leak.
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I don't even own a air gun yet and as much as they cost if any issues pop up I'm just sending it back for a refund these things cost toooooooooo much to come with problems. 40 bucks for some rubber washers? I would have told him where he could shove them...
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Yet!!
Dont buy PCP --- leaks will pop up no matter how cheap or expensive they are.
PCP need O-Rings to function, and oring has a working life span--being exposed to extrem pressure they will tune to hard brittle plastic and loose seal.
As as a PCP owner one must know how to replace orings---they are cheap ---> but a life line.
BP
Tuner
Dont buy PCP --- leaks will pop up no matter how cheap or expensive they are.
PCP need O-Rings to function, and oring has a working life span--being exposed to extrem pressure they will tune to hard brittle plastic and loose seal.
As as a PCP owner one must know how to replace orings---they are cheap ---> but a life line.
BP
Tuner
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Yep everything has a life span, but I work HARD for my money I don't make random purchases I don't by junk, I'd assume the op having bought a FX expected it to work right out the box I don't think that's too much to ask when you buy something brand new regardless of price but even more so at fx prices! lol...
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Good points Ernest on the filling pressure and letting it equalize. Also the reality that o-rings need to be replaced. I am so glad to have you and others showing how to do our own maintenance. It is great to have someone of your experience on this site. Bill
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I do agree that people need to know how to work on their own stuff. Sorry if my post offended, I just hate when stuff arrives broken and then the buyer has to pay for it.
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Tis a shame if a new airgun doesn't work AND parts cost - well at all as "I" feel if new it should be covered and without spending $50.00 on shipping- Crosman would give a person the option of, retuyrning it for a new rifle delivered asap, or, sending any and all needed parts free of charge ( for the DIY types) , or, what's it take to make it right? That being on a rifle costing less than $400.00.
O-rings DO wear out, but over the years more than 99% of quality pre-charged rigs the O-rings tend to last ( if not disturbed or .... ) 10+ years. O-rings failing say within 1 year would seem to indicate either really LOW quality O-rings or, something like the groove that sit in isn't right or they are being damaged upon install, in which case something isn't right.
IF everything is right from the get go a person should expect years of service before any o-ring needs attention.
$40.00 for O-rings on any rig I have ever owned and I would just go ahead and buy box of 100 ( whatever the count is) QUALITY O-rings in each size needed from the oring store or such and make complete packages for others and sell them off for say $15.00 delivered - assuming one needed maybe 5-6 different sizes.
Thankfully most pre-charged rigs are easy to work on and most O-rings can be found at Ace Hardare or such.
Hope you get it fixed up air tight soon, any chance of some good ole fashioned pictures while you have it apart? Love pictures as well as " do look out for ... " .
John
O-rings DO wear out, but over the years more than 99% of quality pre-charged rigs the O-rings tend to last ( if not disturbed or .... ) 10+ years. O-rings failing say within 1 year would seem to indicate either really LOW quality O-rings or, something like the groove that sit in isn't right or they are being damaged upon install, in which case something isn't right.
IF everything is right from the get go a person should expect years of service before any o-ring needs attention.
$40.00 for O-rings on any rig I have ever owned and I would just go ahead and buy box of 100 ( whatever the count is) QUALITY O-rings in each size needed from the oring store or such and make complete packages for others and sell them off for say $15.00 delivered - assuming one needed maybe 5-6 different sizes.
Thankfully most pre-charged rigs are easy to work on and most O-rings can be found at Ace Hardare or such.
Hope you get it fixed up air tight soon, any chance of some good ole fashioned pictures while you have it apart? Love pictures as well as " do look out for ... " .
John
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I too had a new AG that had a slow leak ( Daystate W-super grade ) was told to ship for repair or fix it your self ---- your a tuner!
WTF---, I didn't want to ship it---look to good to ship and get it damage doing so, I took it apon my self to fix the leak instead. Was a easy fix.
Don't think they know it was leaking-----took me about a week to notic the leak---that's after I stop shooting her because I need to tune a lot of AG just seating around. I would think as new owner that can't stop shooting and started noticing later after the excitement has slowed down.
so as a Dealer/tester they don't spend enough time with the AG to notic a slow leak unless you can hear her pissing air.
they want it ship right away so you be happy to get it so fast. I don't think they will test for slow leak for a week then ship!!!
I'm just trying to see the other side of the coin.
WTF---, I didn't want to ship it---look to good to ship and get it damage doing so, I took it apon my self to fix the leak instead. Was a easy fix.
Don't think they know it was leaking-----took me about a week to notic the leak---that's after I stop shooting her because I need to tune a lot of AG just seating around. I would think as new owner that can't stop shooting and started noticing later after the excitement has slowed down.
so as a Dealer/tester they don't spend enough time with the AG to notic a slow leak unless you can hear her pissing air.
they want it ship right away so you be happy to get it so fast. I don't think they will test for slow leak for a week then ship!!!
I'm just trying to see the other side of the coin.
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We all agree that stuff happens after we get them. And I am with you Earnest that the dealers don't spend a lot of time checking to see if a particular gun has a leak or not. But here is an approach I think they can take. We are always told that if the seals in the gun are good, they should hold air indefinitely. They may change a few bar here or there due to temperature variances. But they should hold air. And we are also told the guns are inspected before they are shipped. Well, what if the dealer, after the gun arrives at their door fills the gun to a certain pressure level. Then, before the gun is shipped and they "inspect it, they could see if the pressure has dropped or not. If it has, then don't ship that gun. To me it's very simple. Maybe too simple.
Keith.
Keith.
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Mr Ernest Rowe. What a BRILLIANT site you are referring to in your post abowe. I see you just joined this forum and what an entry.
Everybody, have you looked at this? http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/fx-impact
Everybody, have you looked at this? http://sniperlabyo-precision-airguns.com/fx-impact
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