Why not a regular magazine instead of...

If you want a quick shooting, low powered, semi-auto just buy a Sig Virtus. It's a 30 rd belt fed plinker.

I'm more of an accurate target shooter myself, but by all means, have fun.

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Guess what, I've owned two of the Sig MPX and both broke in short order, a friend also bought one and it's screwed up, so nope I'm not trying the Sigus Virtus Broke-Us. Also I didn't like that the trigger operates the hammer and indexes the next round. I'm going to lean on a regular mag SA PCP being much more accurate than the Sig with it's sloppy plastic belt.

I appreciate you trying to help me out, I really do!

I've literally forgotten all POS semiauto airguns I've owned that broke, but not that FX Revolution that I paid $1600 for, it was "unfixable" after 3 trips back to the shop! 

Rotary mags can probably handle different lengts of projectiles better, as they are not stacking against each other.

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Yes, that's true, but a problem we see is some weren't made long enough to begin with to handle longer projectiles. Like my original 25 cal FX Impact mag, it won't take a Beeman Kodiak pellet, but later on FX solved this. Kinda like a 38 special/357 mag revolver, it can take various length cartridges, but you don't see 20 shot revolvers.

I think many of us know the in's and out's of RC mag's. 

Let's try to imagine what a 20 shot RC mag would look like on a SA PCP pistol, or let's think about how far they stick out the side of a FX Impact now. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike RC mags, and I see why they were initially chosen for pellets.

In my Crossman 600 SA pistol the pellets rub against each other front to back, this might affect accuracy some but, MAN, that is a fun pistol, and wouldn't call it inaccurate. 

The Career's I used to own used the same concept, and I wouldn't call them inaccurate either.

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If the mag was made for long slugs, and you used short ones, they would randomly face against the front, or back of the mag. On short slugs, the cylindrical part is not that long, so one slug might be riding against the sloped tip of the next. That is not a problem on powder burners, as it is the shells themself usually lying against each other. A long slug might be twice as long as a pellet, and the mag has to fit both. On a rotary mag, every pellet, or slug is basically lying in each theire chamber, so it doeas not matter much if use a pellet one day, and the next day use a twice as long slug in the same mag.

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What you stated is true. However

My whole mindset towards this concept of using a regular mag is having a system that all "works" together in "synergy", using only a few weights and lengths of slugs(the lighter slug could be a hollow point), so we don't have to fool around with inaccuracy or unreliability. 

Remember the old pump and lever action 22's that were designed to feed and chamber 22 short, 22 long, and 22 long rifle? A similar design could be done for different length slugs.

If you wanted to go this route and use a conventional spring follower magazine approach then consider this possibility:

Huben uses the magazine as the leade ie the pellet or slug fires from the magazine through the barrel.

A "cartridge" could be designed to mimic this idea and then used in a conventional spring follower magazine.

The "Chamber" would be sized for the cartridge O.D. and would be more or less full bore size internally from back to front flow through design with the appropriate leade built in.

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Yep something like that could work but the idea of picking up brass...and now you have to design an extractor and ejector system, that's 3 more complications that need solving. 

How about if we explored powder coating lead slugs instead. That would slicken up the slugs, keep the rubbing directly off the lead slugs, and prevent leading in the barrel??? Powder coating in mass wouldn't make the cost much more I would think???

Keep in mind, like I've mentioned, that most of us would be ecstatic to have a reasonably accurate SA that was reliable! Winning benchrest matches was never my intent from the start. 

Wherever this idea goes who knows?? but having a fun plinker is all I have in mind - well one that's more powerful and more accurate than a BB gun. 

it would be hard to make work, to load and to get the right feed and be prone to jamming,butt go ahead and design one that really works and you may have the next best "thing" .Pushing the pellets in would deform them..butt they have them for BB guns...BBs are rather hard though....

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We aren't talking about pellets, right?! We're talking about slugs.

Getting the optimal length slug to feed out of regular mag would be easier that it is right now for a 22rf with it's big rim, or a shotgun shell. Did you see the video that was posted in this thread?

The biggest hurdle is getting over the misconception that the ideas in my thread here - can't work. If they can design a friggen shotgun shell to feed reliably than a round nose slug would be easy to do.

Now all we need is for some smart engineers and businessmen to take this idea and get to work on it. AND if someone or some Co does, friggen do it right, don't build some POS junk, make some decent quality stuff. There's people like me that will pay for good quality products. 

A regular mag would be more desirable for me, because it'd retain a familiar feature I am used to and have enjoyed all these years, and it just makes sense to me because of the whole form factor of it.

I've shot 100,000+ lead bullets so I know how they look with all the various imperfections on them, they don't look as nice as swaged bullets, and probably don't shoot as well, but they do the job. I can't see slight rubbing of lead slugs in a regular mag destroying accuracy to the point I couldn't have tons of fun with them, especially the small weight of a 17 cal lead slug and the Miniscule VERY SLIGHT spring tension needed to push up on it in the mag! Think about this, one common bullet in 45ACP weighs 230 grains. it's take twenty three 10 grain slugs to equal that. 

That FX Revolution used ""removable rotary mags""", they were part of the problem in that system. And of course most semi auto pellet guns used these, and most of them are unreliable. What good is accuracy without reliability???

I don't know enough about "all' the various ways the air delivery systems work in pcp's as it pertains to the location of them???

As we know already the C02 bb pistols often use the air delivery system in the grip as well as the feed mechanism is a often just a normal magazine. 

Whatever works, I guess, is my stance right now. 

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if great minds aren't on the computer designing just what I've proposed.

Here it is 8 months later!

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I'm still fantasizing about the concept of repeaters using slugs with removable stack type magazines.

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Hi all.

8 months later since the original post.

Slugs have become even more popular and in some cases less expensive. Some Co's are getting the barrels figured out.

Any thoughts on the subject matter I presented?

Thanks Legionair.

Seeing this video a few days ago is what reminded me about my old thread.

Its getting closer for sure. Just some thoughts. I wasn't very impressed with the Sig that uses belts as far as precision goes and it was a pellet gun, it also had a tendency to jam up. 

Then saw that this Cardinal could be used as a pump which is kinda cool. Also saw that it can be full auto but can it be SA?? I'd be surprised if it didn't have a SA setting??

As long as it was reliable and reasonably precise I'd be willing to give it a try, and hope the trigger wasn't horrible at the same time. 

Once a guy has had a Steyr LP5 SA it's hard to go backwards....

I don't know enough about "all' the various ways the air delivery systems work in pcp's as it pertains to the location of them???

As we know already the C02 bb pistols often use the air delivery system in the grip as well as the feed mechanism is a often just a normal magazine. 

Whatever works, I guess, is my stance right now. 

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if great minds aren't on the computer designing just what I've proposed.

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It dawned on me that indeed the air delivery system placement "obstacle" has been overcome by the Cardinal so at this point I don't see why a regular stack magazine system couldn't be engineered! 

Now back to our regularly scheduled "programming". 

I was reminded of this thread by the below paragraph.

My niece had to package up her 10-22 rf for shipment to her mother where she will be moving, so I decided that to make it easier to unload the 25 round magazine I would put it in the gun and cycle all the rounds out onto a towel (safety on and pointed at brick wall). Every single one had a mark on the lead bullet which was all the way along the bearing surface. With this same ammo in my 10-22 the precision is 3/4" at 50Y. It's GECO match rifle ammo so it's a medium quality ammo at $6.50/50. One of my friends that has an Anschutz 64 single shot does slightly better with the same ammo. ES isn't great with this ammo because at 210Y it's around a 9" vertical spread. Probably 60 fps ES, not sure???

I think the rubbing issue that's been mentioned should not affect precision as much as people think. Also I bet that stick magazines could be made for a slug shooting PCP's that would all but eliminate damage to the slug as it's fed into the chamber as well as damage while in the magazine.

I know that NSA slugs come pre lubed so that will help with rubbing in the magazine as well as smoother feeding. 

Anybody warming up to the idea yet?