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Why no slugs allowed for most 100yd airgun benchrest?

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If they group as good as pellets then you only have to be half as good at judging the wind. Since they have have half the blow at 100, a mis judge in the wind is half of what it is with a pellet.
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Run what you brung kind of shoot out, not so sure it's gonna fly. Lol worth a "shot" though..
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If you are only half as good at judging the wind, that means there are others that are twice as good as you, so you are still not likely to win.

What would happen is that average scores would go up some, but there will be a little less luck involved. The luck of the draw for bench assignments and time of relay will be less of a factor.
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That's one way of looking at it, but as they say you can't win if you don't play.. ⚁⚄. Aww crap thats the lotto's motto...🤞
 
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Davec107
That's one way of looking at it, but as they say you can't win if you don’t play.. ⚁⚄. Aww crap thats the lotto's motto...
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Yeah, but I still like it. Sign me up for the baby buck shot pellets for Speed Silo. 
FYI for those that don’t shoot 100Y BR. Time of relay has nothing to do with how you place, since you are only scored against those in your own relay. 
 
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Scott, I agree that to accurately assess who is the best at something.....you must create the rules of the game to absolutely minimize the chance factor. 100y BR has been going on for about 10 years I suppose. I may be wrong, but I don’t think there has ever been a repeat winner. Compare that with FT.....which draws 120 shooters for a National event. There’s a guy who has won about a half dozen National titles in the same span of time as EBR has been around...but the game of FT has been created effectively to rule out chance. The fact that the 10 and X ring....and maybe even the 9 are smaller than what the best equipment at 100y can manage on a consistent basis means that getting the pellet inside the 8 ring on a consistent basis is the best that can be consistently done with human skill....the 10s, Xs, and many of the nines shot are subject to chance. You could eliminate much of that chance by raising the value of each ring at least one...maybe two points. By doing this you likely begin to see repeat winners. As you mentioned earlier...average scores would go up for everyone, but the order of the top dozen guys would not be so random. Shooting slugs could possibly further reduce the chance factor as long as they were producing similar accuracy as the best pellet shooters.


The reality is that neither of these things are likely to happen because the rules are dictated by a couple manufacturers...and that’s OK with me. It’s their game. They can do as they see fit. They have been successful in attracting a lot of participants with the way things are. I believe that if you removed as much of the chance factor as possible from the game....it would lose popularity.

Nothing is preventing anyone from running a separate match with rules designed to limit chance. I suspect that would be a better use of time that trying to change existing practice at matches like EBR.

Mike 
 
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Having used .177 slugs in FT I can say, with my gun, on a windy day(5mph+) they are an advantage. In less wind, out to 55yd there is no advantage. Of course you have to learn how they drift because they do. Though drop is less after the apex, out to 55yd than a comparable pellet so ranging errors are less of an issue from 45-55yd. 

I'm still looking to get the griffin 10-12gr .177 slugs working at 12fpe for wftf use. So far no luck. I'm sure it's a twist rate issue but I don't have the time to persue it right now.


 
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Having used .177 slugs in FT I can say, with my gun, on a windy day(5mph+) they are an advantage. In less wind, out to 55yd there is no advantage. Of course you have to learn how they drift because they do. Though drop is less after the apex, out to 55yd than a comparable pellet so ranging errors are less of an issue from 45-55yd. 

I'm still looking to get the griffin 10-12gr .177 slugs working at 12fpe for wftf use. So far no luck. I'm sure it's a twist rate issue but I don't have the time to persue it right now.

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Surely ONE innovative BARRY BONDS esque manufacture could step right up to the plate and be THE FIRST for all others to FOLLOW with something such as an ALLOY SLUG to meet your TWELVE FOOT POUND needs just tell them to GET THE LEAD OUT!!! LITERALLY... I think it would be a HOME RUN on their very FIRST PITCH. Yo
 
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Just a few moments ago I was discussing with Joe Polanco over FB, and he said: Slugs are inferior than pellets in shorter range. If that is true why slugs are not allowed? (maybe 6 months ago, IME not now with all the slugs available in .22)

We should be able to shoot whatever we wanted and comercially available (with cal and weight restictions), IMO ... does BenchRest is about ultimate accuracy? or not? 
 
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Edosan....I would agree with your assessment that BR is typically about ultimate accuracy.


Yo....the actual definition of the word accuracy is very different to different people.


Mike
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That's Right I know YEA? I bought That 22 P-Rod from a retired hunter FT shooter and this was his most accurate FT pistol eclipsing all of his 177s and Jim Gaska highly recommended using PREDATOR GTOs specifically in them when he did all of his magic on it knowing it needed to shoot the most accurate and was for FT especially being an underdog in 22. Yo!
 
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Is a very simple thing and BRAVE thing the producers/makers/organizer of an EB event can do... allow slugs (with cal and weight limitation same as pellets) in BR competitions. Most BR shooters say pellets are way superior than slugs in 25 and 50y, so then, allow slugs shooters to participate with slugs. If they allow to shoot slug, then I am all in with slugs (all distances), who knows, if slugs are not superior no surprise ... but what if they are?

Only reason I see not to use Slugs is not to drag attention to airguns regulations. 
 
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Scott....I have asked a lot of guys about this lately....and the overall negative reaction that I receive primarily seems fear driven. Fear that they will now have to “figure” out another setup. Fear that their equipment will no longer be useful in the game. Fear that the skill will be taken out of the game.


I tried some 22 slugs this last week, and the exact same setup that shot the pellets well...shot similar weighted slugs fantastic. I was honestly giddy with excitement because the 100y game could be a whole lot more precision oriented with slugs...but it seems there is a great resistance to the idea. Lots of guys seem to think that if you shoot slugs...you will have to make the competitions longer distances. Seems to me that actually making 100y more accurate in greater wind would be a massive plus...but most I have spoken with are afraid of that idea.



Mike 
 
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I should add that many people believe that slugs can only be shot with massively powerful rifles. Limit slugs to 60fpe...and everyone can play with the equipment they already have.

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I guess I don't want massively powerful airguns either, but the 45gr .30 guns that are used the most in 100yd benchrest are already near that. Once I hit 80fpe, I prefer 22 rimfire. My standard velocity 22lr is 40gr and 100fpe, and does well out to 100 yards.

The RMAC rules considered >140fpe to be the "magnum" slug class. The "standard" slug class was the <140fpe class, and it was the first of all the events to fill up, so there seems to be enough people that want to shoot slugs at lower FPE if they are given the opportunity.

I think 140fpe might be a too high for a "standard" slug class. Not sure if 60fpe is right either, but I'd still do it either way.


 
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