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Why no slugs allowed for most 100yd airgun benchrest?

The reason I’ve seen cited most often was liability insurance reasons for the sponsor holding the event.



Isn't the EBR in AZ shot held at the 100yd smallbore range. Smallbore uses 40gr bullets. So the range is setup to for safe trajectory of slugs.

It's seems strange that they would have special insurance for that event that requires pellets only. Besides they have a bigbore match as one of the "sideshow" shoots that does allow slugs. So I don't buy that argument.


 
I don’t recall the insurance company that I contacted to acquire the policy for the BR Nats At Whittington Center caring what the actual projectile was.


Its probably because slugs are not quite mainstream yet. I’ve actually never even tried one.



Mike 


Over the last couple years, it seems like airgun slugs have become the primary projectile type for bigbore airguns and higher powered smallbore airguns.

The major projectile manufactures are now all offering slug shaped projectiles for airguns.
 
I made that same Q a while ago ... I see no reason for it, in 2018 where like something rare hard to find, in 2019 was better and now slugs are all over the place...so the reason than not all can have them is not there anymore ... but with slugs you can go accurate 150 - 200 m with no problems ... slugs have a HUGE advantage over pellets at long distance and they perform way better than pellets in the wind ... @thomasair we shoot some slugs with one of your thomas and we were like..wowwww (With Claudio Flores) they were good! @ 40y (or something like that)
 
Edosan...I remember Claudio showing me some targets he did with some slugs and they were very good....but I don’t recall which ones he was using.

Even though they are now readily available...there is still not much familiarity with them for most guys.

I doubt there is much incentive to change up the formula when the bigger events are having success with the current model. I’m far more interested in using slugs at 100y than pellets. At least if you could get the accuracy down with a slug they could handle the typical wind much better

Mike
 
Which slug shaped """pellets""" are you referring to, or do you maintain that slugs are pellets? I'm not familiar with the different ones if there are any, but I don't keep up on this type of thing so I wouldn't know anyway.

Seeing photos or links would help me visualise what you are getting at.

Here are a some links:

https://www.hn-sport.de/en/air-gun-hunting

http://www.schulzdiabolo.cz/en/pellets/slugs/

https://nielsenspecialtyammo.com/

https://griffinairgunammo.com/

https://fxairguns.com/accessories/fx-hybrid-slugs/
 
Which slug shaped """pellets""" are you referring to, or do you maintain that slugs are pellets? I'm not familiar with the different ones if there are any, but I don't keep up on this type of thing so I wouldn't know anyway.

Seeing photos or links would help me visualise what you are getting at.

Here are a some links:

https://www.hn-sport.de/en/air-gun-hunting

http://www.schulzdiabolo.cz/en/pellets/slugs/

https://nielsenspecialtyammo.com/

https://griffinairgunammo.com/

https://fxairguns.com/accessories/fx-hybrid-slugs/

Oh I see, lol. 

You should change your title to why no slug shaped slugs allowed.... 😁
 
I think because so many major brands don't shoot slugs well. Most of these guns are designed as "pellet" shooters. A few major brands have tried to change barrels, crank the power up etc. In reality they are just maxed out pellet guns and never intended for slugs. I personally think people should be shooting what works best for the gun they use. Who cares what projectile is being used...accuracy wins! 
 
I think because so many major brands don't shoot slugs well. Most of these guns are designed as "pellet" shooters. A few major brands have tried to change barrels, crank the power up etc. In reality they are just maxed out pellet guns and never intended for slugs. I personally think people should be shooting what works best for the gun they use. Who cares what projectile is being used...accuracy wins!

I agree. Shoot what works best in your airgun, old tech or new tech.

If we restrict things to what has only worked in the past, then things don't advance. It would be nice if competition would drive development in state of the art, instead of hamper it.
 
In a word, FAIRNESS. Pellets are easy, they all shoot about the same speed with a BC of about the same value. The shooter is the deciding factor...

Longer discussion below:

I also think its because slugs while gaining popularity, still aren't mainstream You may argue that, but they really only popped to the top of everyone's radar within the past year or so. Sure, some guys will pop off that they've been doing it for 23 years now with their keyboard guns that shoot bottle caps or flying bumble bees at 200 meters, but generally its only been recently that you could buy slugs for a reasonable price (thanks Nick, NSA Specialty Ammo). As many slugs as it takes to tune a gun for the best slug at the best speed, paying $20 for a hundred was a steep entry price. Also, I think some of the ranges really aren't set up to go further than 100 yards, which is where slugs would shine. The small bore range at Rio Salado (EBR) isn't.

There's the challenge of it. Think about it. No one has shot better than 225 in 100 yard competition at the finals of a major tournament (EBR, RMAC, PAC). Slug scores would be better, but lets face it, no one is going to shoot 250. Those that don't shoot slugs might think they go straight and aren't affected by the wind. Wrong! They are affected by the wind, just not as much. An FPE limit would be necessary for the game to remain equitable. Whereas with pellets, aside from that sprinkling of luck with the wind, the best shooter has much more influence on his score than does his gun, but the opposite could be true with slugs. Pay for the best gun/slug combo and you can win, simple, right?

Of course then there's fairness in competition. Do we limit the slugs to a certain FPE?. How many classes do we need, or what is fair? Allowing slugs at 100 yards would end up in a "space race" with equipment costs and development time skyrocketing. Whereas now you can buy a pellet rifle, decent scope, practice and be competitive, that wouldn't be the case with slugs, at least not yet. So unlike pellets, where "mo' power" really isn't a benefit, and the playing field is fairly level, what happens when Power Hungry Pete shows up with a .35 cal gun that shoots 110 grain slugs at 1070 FPS and have a BC of 0.28? Would that be fair to the average Joe that wants to compete with his .25 cal gun shooting 26 grain slugs with a BC of 0.085? There are so many more variables with slugs, it'll take time to figure it all out. 

I think that the major tournaments actually will be incorporating slugs. Maybe not yet for the main event, but look at RMAC, they have a small bore slug challenge, 100 to 225 yards, shooting steel. I'm sure EBR 2020 will have a new event where small bore slugs are allowed, or required. I don't think the big bore event will ever be very popular, its more of a niche side show event. But small bore slugs will continue to increase in popularity and the tournaments will give the competitors what they want...
 
The reason I’ve seen cited most often was liability insurance reasons for the sponsor holding the event.

doing this from memory... so ....

one of the 2012/2013/2014 EBR was shot at a really small range that couldnt handle IIRC any thing over .25 caliber pellets or energies we could consider mainstream now. 

this was announced VERY close to the match date, and really pee-oh’d a lot of folks. reason given was the very real possiblities of an errant hi powered projectile leaving the range property, and IMO, thats the basis of “insurance reasons” .

was a huge dust up on a certain forum immediately following that announcement, conspiracies abounded as to rule changes made to favor certain guns or vendor teams..... or hinder guns and teams. resulted in a huge schism that lasted a few years....



gotta remember in the early days all this was new, and everyone was still figuring it out.......
















 
Well I think the KISS principle should rule here.

Slugs are not pellets. So slugs need their own class. Why are slugs not pellets? The BC is such that slugs have an enormous advantage. The flight time of a 13 gr Griffin shot with 18.5 fpe to 100 yards is 0.40 sec. The flight time of a 10.5 CP heavy shot with 18.5 fpe is 0.44 sec. Doesn't seem like much? Looks like ten percent to me. Ten percent more time in the air means more wind drift and more drop. Push that to 200 yards and the difference is 33% (0.86secs for the Griffin, 1.14secs for the CP heavy).

Two classes would solve that problem and could be shot concurrently except that people wanting to compete in both could not ... so you win some, you loose some, and sometimes it rains.