Why are not more people using something like this!? (First post edited)...

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ADDED TO ORIGINAL POST:

I should have made myself a little bit more clear on what I am planning on using the "Jack Plate" for...



I am NOT talking about using one of these mounts as an
"effective adjustable scope base for Long range shooting and ELR applications, or as a system that allows for more adjustment for elevation than your scope turrets." [end quote].

I would like to use them to simply "dial-in" my range faster. Well, there are some more reason why I would like to use one, but I will get into that later...



Target acquisition:

1. Range distance to the Target using a laser rangefinder...

2. Enter distance to app, or look at "cheat-sheet" or range card...

3. Obtain Mils or Moas...

4. Dial-in Mil or Moa on your turrets, or use Hold-over. One of the two...

5. Aim...

6. Shoot...

7. Repeat...



Doing this is not complicated, hard, or a lot of work by all means. Still, I find it annoying and it gets on my nerves. It got on my nerves 5 minutes after I started shooting air rifles with a scope. And NO, I do not find the above mentioned steps challenging, nor do I think they are what makes air gunning interesting. At least not to me. But hey, maybe you enjoy going through all those steps before you can take a shot...

Anyhow, I believe there is always room for improvements. Speaking of improvements, here are some that I believe are worth mentioning. In no particular order:

- From my understanding, scopes allow for the least amount of parallax error when at Optical Zero, so why not leave them there?! Just adjust your Mils or Moas using a Jack Plate...

- Using a Jack Plate to "dial-in" your Moas or Mils, would also mean that you no longer need turrets. You wouldn't even need turrets to zero your scope. The Jack Plate would take care of that...

- If you no longer need turrets, manufacturer don't have to make them, and if they do not have to make them, they can charge way less for their scopes. I have no idea what it cost to make a scope, but I am pretty sure that the turrets take a huge part of the manufacturing costs...

- If you no longer have turrets, you might not even need a reticle anymore. You could just have simple cross-hairs, or just a DOT. This will also [mostly likely] reduce manufacturing cost...

- Using a Jack Plate means that manufacturer do not have to make specific scopes that have a ballistics calculator build-in. They could just focus on making Jack Plates and leave the rest of their scopes alone...

- If people do not have to buy specific scopes anymore that have a BC build in, they can keep using their own scopes. Just get Jack Plate...

- Write your distance markers directly on to the Jack Plates adjustment wheel. This will eliminate steps 2 and 3. YES, some are doing this already with regular scopes. They have turret sticker on their turrets. Those people are doing it for a reason and most likely know where I am coming from and going with this... : )

- Gun manufacturer could build an adjustable rail right in to the gun! Why not!?

- Someone is going to build a Jack Plate [Rail] that is powered, and talks directly to your range finder. You might as well build the RF into the Jack Plate...



I guess that is all I can think of for now... To sum it up:

Why move tiny lines in a scope, using "complicated" dials and knobs, when you can make a super simply scope and move that instead!? I mean, your camera lens does not bent or move, does it!? No. You move the entire camera instead. Same goes for image stabilization. Optical In-lens or In-camera stabilization will always be more expensive than using a Gimbal...

There is a reason why more and more scope manufacturer are coming out with a scope that has a Ballistics Calculator build in... I just wish they would build (manufacture) a Jack Plate (electronic one) instead, so I can use my existing scopes not they one they made...

Thanks,

Kmd



https://www.ebay.com/p/HHA-Sports-Optimizer-Speed-Dial-Crossbow-Sight-Mount-OL-SD/512989840?iid=192122841910&chn=ps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySGG5x_q184



Thanks,

Kmd

Added to this post:

I agree with you 100%. Actually, I myself started a thread last year December, saying that I "need" a "smarter" air rifle. In that thread I also mention the same idea…

With a device like this, reticles and turrets will be obsolete.

Manufacturer can spend all their money on glass and not "waste" it on expensive turrets and internal mechanisms. A simple windage reticle will do. My original post was actually way longer, but I shortened it. Well, now that some people are interested in this subject, here it is:

Seriously, why is nobody talking, or even better, using, a "device" like this? Maybe they are, and I am not aware of it!?

I have been saying it for a while now, and I am going to say it again:

Turrets, Hold-over, Windage, calculating pellet drop and what not, are relics from the past. Well, at least they should be. Luckily, something is happening. Not as much as I would like to, but we are getting there. Scopes such as,

Revic PMR,

Burris Illuminator 3,

ATN X-Sight 4k

and the now the Sig Sauer BDX are on the right track. They are on the forefront of whats to come. Trust me, sooner or later, Scopes with build in Ballistics Calculator will dominate the market.

Having said that. There is one more thing that gets me even more excited than a scope with build in ballistics calculator, and that is a rifle with build-in Ballistics Calculator. I believe that a lot of people would actually like a scope with a BC, but for one reason or another, they do not like either the scope itself, or the company that makes it. I myself would have gotten one of the scope mentioned above a long time ago, but like I said, for one reason or another, something wasn't right. The Burris and Sig Sauer for one, do not focus below 50 yards. As an air gunner, useless. Anyhow. You can imagine how "shocked" I was when I came across the Ravin Crossbow Jack Plate… I guess there are similar products out there…



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I posted a picture of the same mount in October in response to a thread about magnum springer scopes. I am VERY interested in something like this. If it was done well enough a scope manufacturer could eliminate the moving reticle and make a very strong and accurate scope, probably offsetting the cost (or at least most of it) of the mount itself. No more mushy turrets etc. You could even install different pitch thread inserts for 10-50 yards for FT or a 10-100 yards for hunting. If the disc shape itself drives elevation then it could even be cam shaped to follow your trajectory so you would not have to backtrack for shots above the points of impact. I hope this all makes sense. I went full geek mode there for a minute.



From october...

"There are plenty of high precision slide methods used in many industries that could be adapted for this purpose. I would really love to see something that works between the mount and the gun. It could be fairly low profile and allow you to use whatever rings you already have or prefer. For that matter a good mount could handle elevation and windage as well and your scope could remain optically centered. Unertl scopes and mounts were done this way many many years ago, but all the mechanism was in the rings. I would like to see this in the mount. 

This is in the right direction."

1543548541_10329137055c00ae7d7db225.63059785_Ravin Scope mount.jpg

 
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I posted a picture of the same mount in October in response to a thread about magnum springer scopes. I am VERY interested in something like this. If it was done well enough a scope manufacturer could eliminate the moving reticle and make a very strong and accurate scope, probably offsetting the cost (or at least most of it) of the mount itself. No more mushy turrets etc. You could even install different pitch thread inserts for 10-50 yards for FT or a 10-100 yards for hunting. If the disc shape itself drives elevation then it could even be cam shaped to follow your trajectory so you would not have to backtrack for shots above the points of impact. I hope this all makes sense. I went full geek mode there for a minute.



From october...

"There are plenty of high precision slide methods used in many industries that could be adapted for this purpose. I would really love to see something that works between the mount and the gun. It could be fairly low profile and allow you to use whatever rings you already have or prefer. For that matter a good mount could handle elevation and windage as well and your scope could remain optically centered. Unertl scopes and mounts were done this way many many years ago, but all the mechanism was in the rings. I would like to see this in the mount. 

This is in the right direction."

1543548541_10329137055c00ae7d7db225.63059785_Ravin Scope mount.jpg
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I agree with you 100%. Actually, I myself started a thread last year December, saying that I "need" a "smarter" air rifle. In that thread I also mention the same idea...

With a device like this, reticles and turrets will be obsolete.

Manufacturer can spend all their money on glass and not "waste" it on expensive turrets and internal mechanisms. A simple windage reticle will do. My original post was actually way longer, but I shortened it. Well, now that some people are interested in this subject, here it is:

Seriously, why is nobody talking, or even better, using, a "device" like this? Maybe they are, and I am not aware of it!?

I have been saying it for a while now, and I am going to say it again:

Turrets, Hold-over, Windage, calculating pellet drop and what not, are relics from the past. Well, at least they should be. Luckily, something is happening. Not as much as I would like to, but we are getting there. Scopes such as,

Revic PMR,

Burris Illuminator 3,

ATN X-Sight 4k

and the now the Sig Sauer BDX are on the right track. They are on the forefront of whats to come. Trust me, sooner or later, Scopes with build in Ballistics Calculator will dominate the market.

Having said that. There is one more thing that gets me even more excited than a scope with build in ballistics calculator, and that is a rifle with build-in Ballistics Calculator. I believe that a lot of people would actually like a scope with a BC, but for one reason or another, they do not like either the scope itself, or the company that makes it. I myself would have gotten one of the scope mentioned above a long time ago, but like I said, for one reason or another, something wasn't right. The Burris and Sig Sauer for one, do not focus below 50 yards. As an air gunner, useless. Anyhow. You can imagine how "shocked" I was when I came across the Ravin Crossbow Jack Plate... I guess there are similar products out there...


 
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Heritage Arms has been making this one, which looks similiar.



https://heritage-arms.com/product-category/gun-parts/cold-shot-llc-adjustable-scope-bases/



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Damn, that looks nice!

I am happy to see that more mounts like that are out there! On the other hand, I was going to make one myself. I have some contacts in China. Folks that specialize in brushless gimbals for phones and such. I talked to them about this idea I had (which is pretty much what we are seeing here), but they did not get it, ha ha. They do not know scopes, guns and things like that too well, so I decided to make a video that explains. I guess I no longer need to make that video. I believe I can just send them links to these mounts and they will get it. Anyhow.

That said. What needs to happen is, it has to be electric. You can use tiny stepper or servo motors and have the hole processor automated. Preferably with a laser rangefinder build in. Man, wouldn't that be great!!!

Thanks,

Kmd
 
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Heritage Arms has been making this one, which looks similiar.



https://heritage-arms.com/product-category/gun-parts/cold-shot-llc-adjustable-scope-bases/



Click to expand...


Damn, that looks nice!

I am happy to see that more mounts like that are out there! On the other hand, I was going to make one myself. I have some contacts in China. Folks that specialize in brushless gimbals for phones and such. I talked to them about this idea I had (which is pretty much what we are seeing here), but they did not get it, ha ha. They do not know scopes, guns and things like that too well, so I decided to make a video that explains. I guess I no longer need to make that video. I believe I can just send them links to these mounts and they will get it. Anyhow.

That said. What needs to happen is, it has to be electric. You can use tiny stepper or servo motors and have the hole processor automated. Preferably with a laser rangefinder build in. Man, wouldn't that be great!!!

Thanks,

Kmd
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DAMN THATS EXPENSIVE!!!

CA
 
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