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Who’s the King of 100?

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I will shoot 100y match for hoots and hollers. 

Can you provide an example target so we can get a feel for it, and will it be another $50.00 (or more?) for the additional event?

I am excited to see additional depth in the N50 weekend at Whittington and I do not think this will dilute the intent or participation in any way.

FWIW, the northern area of New Mexico is under a very severe fire season, having the largest Forrest fire in recorded history in New Mexico. Send us some rain, guys. As of now, the fire is not a threat to the Whittington center. Let's hope the smoke jumpers and the fire fighters can get some help from mother nature.
 
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Al….I didn’t see any questions from you. Just statements. If you have a specific question, fire away.

Jim, we will probably use the ASA target dimensions but omit the x and make the 10 the new x and the 9 the new 10. Like this:

o X Ring 0.520

o 10 Ring 1.350

o 9 Ring 2.180

o 8 Ring 3.010

o 7 Ring 3.840

o 6 Ring 4.670

We are going to have to charge for the extra class if we do it. It’s gonna be a ton of extra work plus oddball target expense. If we don’t get a decent amount of additional people to commit to it, we will likely pass on the idea.

It’s a simple idea. Put on the very first 100y tournament that has a good chance of actually identifying the best shooter by doing the most to eliminate the chance factor. This means a 6 card aggregate and bench rotation. It’s a completely different crowd that shoots the couple 100y matches per year. The fact that they don’t complain about the 1 card formats leads me to believe that they may actually prefer the high element of chance. I guess we will see.

Hopefully the wind will be replaced by rain and they can get those fires stopped.


Mike





 
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Hey Mike,

I hope to attend the N50 National Championship this year. I would shoot the three classes with pellet for 18 cards plus the 6 cards at 100. I really enjoyed last year's event. Everything from the facilities, wailing wall, food truck selection, my tent spot on the range under the pine trees, antelope wandering on the range made for a memorable experience. 

Regards,

Gabe
 
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It’s a simple idea. Put on the very first 100y tournament that has a good chance of actually identifying the best shooter by doing the most to eliminate the chance factor. This means a 6 card aggregate and bench rotation. It’s a completely different crowd that shoots the couple 100y matches per year. The fact that they don’t complain about the 1 card formats leads me to believe that they may actually prefer the high element of chance. I guess we will see.
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I don't think most prefer the "element of chance". 

RMAC, EBR, Pyramid Cup, and the like are not just benchrest competitions. There are a lot of other types of events going on at the same time frame. Given the time that the range is available, the size of the range (no. of benches), and the number of shooters, there is no realistic way to hold the benchrest portion in the way you, and I, would prefer. There has been some discussion of splitting RMAC into two events, benchrest one date and the other events at a different date. This really does not fix the problem in that there are only 20 benches at the range so we can't all shoot in the same relay. Even if it were moved to Raton, the same problem would exist if the same number of competitors show up.

If N50 really catches on, you will have a similar problem in the future. There will be more shooters than benches, so you can not all shoot at the same time, or you will have to limit attendance. I really hope that happens (not the limiting part... the need for relays). There are very few ranges, if any, that will be able to handle the number of competitors without going to multiple relays.

Now for a question: Do you rotate benches between each card? I don't get around too good some days and that would be a lot of flag moving. With a 100 yd event, that amounts to 12 flag moves per day.

Another question: If you do run 100 yd events, your earlier description seems to say that you intend to shoot over the 50 yd frames to the 100 yd targets, If so, can you still see wind flags between the 50 and 100 yd line?

--Jim
 
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You’re welcome, Jim.

Jim, I would propose that we rotate benches twice per day. We will have pellet, sportsman, pro, and 100y. We will shoot 3 cards of each per day. We can structure the cards so that we shoot 2 cards of each from the same bench….then move 1/3 of the range and finish the day. Start the next day on the same bench we left off and shoot one card and move again. That’s one idea.

Idea 2 is rotate every round ( 1 pellet, 1 sportsman, 1 pro, and 1 100)…which is 3 moves per day.

I don’t think there will be a problem seeing flags from 50-100. I do the exact same thing at home. I recommend that guys that use flags make up a flag setter string to get set up in a minimal amount of time. I tie my string to the left leg of my bench….then pull it out tight to about 2ft left of the target. I have knots on the string where my flags belong. This makes setup a lot easier and faster.

I understand the trouble with RMAC and EBR. 100y BR is often touted as the pinnacle of airgun shooting sports….but it’s not taken seriously enough to set up a match solely intended to identify the top shooters. Nobody likes it so much and is so devoted to the competition aspect of it that they are willing to do a match properly at the risk that the overall attendance could not be accommodated. If it’s that overwhelmingly popular, then do some prequalifying prior to the big match. Can you imagine the number of contestants at the Olympics if anyone could show up? Real competition shouldn’t be all inclusive once the numbers become big enough. Make a place for everyone along the way, but culminate with a real competition set up to to find the real winner.

Mike 


 
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Either of the rotation methods sound fine to me. I do not expect the course of fire to be modified just for me... I will survive any way it is set up.

At RMAC, we have talked about ways to "pre-qualify" for the "main event", but there are not many clubs holding 100 yd matches in order to determine who is "qualified". I have proposed that one method might be to invite the top 5 from each of the prior year RMAC, EBR, PC, and Mexican EBR. One problem is that most of these competitions are mainly what I call "media events", where many of the competitors mainly want to shoot, with and rub elbows with, their favorite internet stars. If the internet stars did not qualify, they might not bother to come and that would hurt attendance. I suspect it would also adversely affect sponsorships, where most of the prizes come from.

At RMAC they have "Pro class" and "Sportsman class". I really don't like this, but it does give a way to split the competitors into two groups that can shoot on different ranges at the same time. There are usually about twice as many sign up for Pro class because that is where the big prizes are. Also, if you are an industry insider, or have won cash prizes in past events, you must register as a Pro.

I really hope that N50 grows fast. I am not a big fan of shooting airguns at 100 yds but I will do it. Personally, I think 50 yds is most fun and challenging.

--Jim
 
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At RMAC, we have talked about ways to "pre-qualify" for the "main event", but there are not many clubs holding 100 yd matches in order to determine who is "qualified". I have proposed that one method might be to invite the top 5 from each of the prior year RMAC, EBR, PC, and Mexican EBR. One problem is that most of these competitions are mainly what I call "media events", where many of the competitors mainly want to shoot, with and rub elbows with, their favorite internet stars. If the internet stars did not qualify, they might not bother to come and that would hurt attendance. I suspect it would also adversely affect sponsorships, where most of the prizes come from.
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I agree with your thought process, but I'm not aware of ANY USA airgun type competition that "pre-qualifies" shooters for the Finals or Nationals. AAFTA anyone can sigh up to shoot the Nationals. N50 anyone can sign up to shoot the Nationals. I think until there are so many entrants that the venue can't accommodate the shooters it'll continue to be that way... If we only invite top shooters from the previous year, how would Keith ever have won RMAC last year? 
 
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That’s entirely the point. RMAC and EBR have never ran anything but 1 card matches because that’s all they have time for. AAFTA or N50 will likely never have to turn anyone away. Their matches are ran like genuine competitions whos desire is to find the best shooters and rank them accordingly. If they get bigger…they will have to figure out how to deal with it without diluting the competition.

RMAC and EBR will not change….but they are not run for the sake of competition.


Mike 


 
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There is a whole thread I started a long time ago about why the EBR target is ridiculous. I’ll see if I can find it.

EBR and RMAC don’t use the same card….the RMAC card rings are bigger. The 2 events don’t even use the same distances for the qualification rounds. Rmac and PA cup use the size rings I listed. If you care to convert your scores to compare to RMAC…you can do so. We don’t care about that.

The EBR card and it’s format were made up by someone that never shot BR. Sighters on the bottom of a 5 ft target are a dumb idea…..plus I already told you why the target has to be sideways. The target holders at 100y in Raton are such that it is required to put them that way to be able to see them over the 50y stands.

This is not going to be like EBR or RMAC... Other than it’s shooting a pellet gun at 100y.

Its intentionally going to be unlike the others because the others are not real BR matches… and we have no interest in emulating their fun shoot format.

If a real 6 card BR competition with one relay, bench rotation, a wailing wall for all to view, and a far more appropriately sized set of rings for the equipment being used doesn’t interest you…then it doesn’t interest you. We are simply trying to find the 100y guys that are into shooting 100y for the pure competition aspect. We are 100% about putting the competition first. When the event is over….we will know who was the best shooter in attendance. That’s the goal.

If you have a suggestion about how to remove more of the luck factor and focus better on the skill part….we want to hear it.

Mike 
 
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