Who’s the King of 100?
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As far as ring sizes, I am not sure I agree that the RMAC/EBR targets are too difficult. They seem to be about right, especially if plugging to 35 cal. When practicing, I use USBR targets at 100 yds. The largest ring is about the same size as the RMAC 8-ring. It is pretty tough, but the RMAC target sure LOOKS easier at the actual competition.
I do not like the idea of giving points for shots that miss any scoring ring. RMAC does not award points if you miss the largest scoring ring, but EBR does. You can miss your aiming point by 3 feet and still get points. (Would not keep me from shooting EBR, though.)
I do like the boxes around the bulls, like N50, but I don't care for the "freebee" for hitting the box. It did save my bacon once, though.
One problem with the RMAC/EBR targets is their overall size. It is a pain if you don't have frames large enough. It is also rather expensive.
I would recommend that the time limit be 20 minutes (like N50) rather than 30 minutes (like RMAC/EBR).
No matter what you finally decide on, I hope you are able to do it, and I will attend if at all possible.
--Jim
I do not like the idea of giving points for shots that miss any scoring ring. RMAC does not award points if you miss the largest scoring ring, but EBR does. You can miss your aiming point by 3 feet and still get points. (Would not keep me from shooting EBR, though.)
I do like the boxes around the bulls, like N50, but I don't care for the "freebee" for hitting the box. It did save my bacon once, though.
One problem with the RMAC/EBR targets is their overall size. It is a pain if you don't have frames large enough. It is also rather expensive.
I would recommend that the time limit be 20 minutes (like N50) rather than 30 minutes (like RMAC/EBR).
No matter what you finally decide on, I hope you are able to do it, and I will attend if at all possible.
--Jim
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For most die hard BR guys, it's never been about the money. You can definitely count me in. Just make sure to announce it early enough for those who need to make travel arrangements.
When/if you firm it up, post as a message and an Events in Facebook's "the Airgun Benchrest Channel" group.
When/if you firm it up, post as a message and an Events in Facebook's "the Airgun Benchrest Channel" group.
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I'll shoot no matter which targets are used, but I'd prefer the EBR/RMAC target sizes, could be 6 ring on up, whatever will fit best on an 11x17 inch sheet of paper. I like this since it gives everyone that shoots EBR/RMAC something to compare their scores to from previous tournaments and competitions. As I said, there usually are at least 150 shooters at each major 100Y competition, so you'll get more support right off the bat. One thing I like is the removal of the 10 point penalty for shooting a target twice or having more than 25 shots on a card. Scoring like N50 where if two shots are on a target, you take the lowest scoring shot and subtract 1 point makes much more sense to me. If the scoring circles go down to 6, then a miss could be scored as a 5. Looking forward to see how this develops.
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I still have a hard time figuring why those targets are what they are. Shooting BR for 20 years and can not think of any discipline except for 2 that one can not obtain a 250 score. The X count is a different thing. Very few have shot 250-25x's and that is the challenge. Take away all the hoopla and you would not have the amount of shooters. Have spoken with quite a few shooters who participate in these events and its all about the giveaways and what one can win.
I mean no dis-respect but a pellet trying to hit a .475 ten ring at 100 yards is not realistic on a consistent basis let alone a 250 score, just common sense.
Joe
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I can see your point Joe, but I also see it from the EBR competitors side. It’s fun. I could care less about the prizes. But I don’t think I can say that for everyone that’s for sure.
I shot a 229-8x at RMAC this year when the next highest score in my 20 shooter Pro relay was 218. It didn’t feel lucky, just that I’d figured out the wind and my gun was firing on all cylinders.
All that being said, I’m good with whatever targets are used for the King of the Hill. Everyone is shooting the same card so it doesn’t really matter what the gross score is since it’s compared to the other competitors. I shot RMAC in 2018 where the second qual round was so windy that 180 was good enough to make it to the finals. I guess what I’m saying is although it doesn’t really matter to me, shooting the same card as EBR just gives a frame of reference for those of us that have shot numerous EBR/RMAC tournaments.
I shot a 229-8x at RMAC this year when the next highest score in my 20 shooter Pro relay was 218. It didn’t feel lucky, just that I’d figured out the wind and my gun was firing on all cylinders.
All that being said, I’m good with whatever targets are used for the King of the Hill. Everyone is shooting the same card so it doesn’t really matter what the gross score is since it’s compared to the other competitors. I shot RMAC in 2018 where the second qual round was so windy that 180 was good enough to make it to the finals. I guess what I’m saying is although it doesn’t really matter to me, shooting the same card as EBR just gives a frame of reference for those of us that have shot numerous EBR/RMAC tournaments.
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While I agree that the lowest -1 scoring model is preferable, one of the main reasons for the 25 shots per target area limit is to prevent "cross shot cheating". Yes I know, for most of us it's unfathomable that someone would actually intentionally shoot an opponents target. However the reality is that it happens and the higher the stakes, the more likely it is to occur. The more stringent the rules, the greater the oversight, the less likely it is that an unscrupulous competitor will attempt to get away with such a cheat.
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I’m not seeing how the 25 shot limit on a card discourages anyone from shooting someone else’s target to cause them harm.
That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Mike
That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Mike
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I think it would be good to have standardized target and a organization to run the events plus have a points and leaders board. Even if I can’t participate I can follow monthly scores.
I have never considered myself a long range shooter and would find it difficult to practice or travel that far for events, I could only hope a club much closer would host this type of event.
I would definitely try it though!
I have never considered myself a long range shooter and would find it difficult to practice or travel that far for events, I could only hope a club much closer would host this type of event.
I would definitely try it though!
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Mike,
I imagine you have already considered this, but:
You might consider shortening this to a 3-card aggregate and shoot it the Friday before the N-50 Nationals. I believe that you have the range on Friday for "sight-in" so you could shoot three 100 yd targets on Friday afternoon and still have plenty of time for practice.
You could count all 3 targets for the agg.
(Since I am posting this, I would like to suggest that all 3 targets be included in the agg in the N-50 competition, too. Counting just the best 2 out of 3 seems even worse than the "qualifying" matches to shoot in the finals at RMAC & EBR.)
--Jim
I imagine you have already considered this, but:
You might consider shortening this to a 3-card aggregate and shoot it the Friday before the N-50 Nationals. I believe that you have the range on Friday for "sight-in" so you could shoot three 100 yd targets on Friday afternoon and still have plenty of time for practice.
You could count all 3 targets for the agg.
(Since I am posting this, I would like to suggest that all 3 targets be included in the agg in the N-50 competition, too. Counting just the best 2 out of 3 seems even worse than the "qualifying" matches to shoot in the finals at RMAC & EBR.)
--Jim
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Joe, it’s a strange thing isn’t it? It honestly doesn’t seem as though any people are interested enough in 100y pellet Benchrest to want to do it more than once or twice a year.
That’s quite a contrast compared to any of the other shooting sports (or any sport or hobby) on the planet.
JD…that’s a consideration, but it comes with some problems to solve. Setting up the targets for the 50y range takes a half day or more. I don’t believe you could see the 100y targets with the 50s in place. That means a a full day would be used up before the N50 could be ready to practice. That’s just one hurdle. Many of the N50 shooters are not interested in 100 and vice versa. Not sure how many 100y only people would want to travel for a 3 card morning match.
If people are going to shoot 3 cards….then all 3 will count towards an Aggregate. Best 2 of 3 has never been any idea of mine.
Mike
That’s quite a contrast compared to any of the other shooting sports (or any sport or hobby) on the planet.
JD…that’s a consideration, but it comes with some problems to solve. Setting up the targets for the 50y range takes a half day or more. I don’t believe you could see the 100y targets with the 50s in place. That means a a full day would be used up before the N50 could be ready to practice. That’s just one hurdle. Many of the N50 shooters are not interested in 100 and vice versa. Not sure how many 100y only people would want to travel for a 3 card morning match.
If people are going to shoot 3 cards….then all 3 will count towards an Aggregate. Best 2 of 3 has never been any idea of mine.
Mike
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I think this is correct. It’s like trying to convince people who enjoy a fun run to take up competitive marathon. There’s a certain percentage that are genuinely keen to progress into competition running but some are happy to do the fun run.
If you conduct a fun run you get along some celebrity types to pull a bigger turnout as with the well known shooters at EBR ect
There are obviously other elements to EBR ect. Social aspects and the different shooting events.
It’s not something you could do that regularly. I think that’s what your up against.
You have probably convinced most the shooters who want to take another step into your N50.
That’s just the view of a guy sitting in the fence watching
If you conduct a fun run you get along some celebrity types to pull a bigger turnout as with the well known shooters at EBR ect
There are obviously other elements to EBR ect. Social aspects and the different shooting events.
It’s not something you could do that regularly. I think that’s what your up against.
You have probably convinced most the shooters who want to take another step into your N50.
That’s just the view of a guy sitting in the fence watching
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You need the Thomas Air N50 championship. Main event N50 comp. First prize a Thomas Air HP Air Rifle and some cash. $$
Have a big Bbq , Raffle.ect Invite some top shooters and supply them with rifles Create an event so it’s fun that draws attention to your discipline
Maybe include a fun 100m pellet competition
Someone has to stir the pot
Have a big Bbq , Raffle.ect Invite some top shooters and supply them with rifles Create an event so it’s fun that draws attention to your discipline
Maybe include a fun 100m pellet competition
Someone has to stir the pot
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Uh...
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2021/09/sunday-gunday-n50-nationals-and-the-modern-precision-airgun/
Messing with you ASupply.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2021/09/sunday-gunday-n50-nationals-and-the-modern-precision-airgun/
Messing with you ASupply.
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Well, I’ll say it would be easy to come away with the impression that EBR or RMAC aren’t serious competitions just looking at the videos and photos. No one that’s actually shot those events would say it isn’t serious. Like I was told when I started FT a little over a year ago, “don’t criticize until you’ve done it for a while”.
I’d say the same could be said for the big 100 yard pellet events. Is there more luck involved than at N50 or AAFTA? Sure there is, and nobody would dispute that. The key phrase is “more” luck. Because every sporting event involves some amount of luck. When you shoot, which bench, which lane you started on, etc….
I agree it’s pretty much impossible to shoot a 250 with pellets at 100Y. But so what? You can still have the highest score to win, whether it’s 222 (EFT 2021) or 228 (RMAC 2021). Has anyone ever birdied every hole in a golf tournament? Nope. But millions of people still play all the time….
I’d say the same could be said for the big 100 yard pellet events. Is there more luck involved than at N50 or AAFTA? Sure there is, and nobody would dispute that. The key phrase is “more” luck. Because every sporting event involves some amount of luck. When you shoot, which bench, which lane you started on, etc….
I agree it’s pretty much impossible to shoot a 250 with pellets at 100Y. But so what? You can still have the highest score to win, whether it’s 222 (EFT 2021) or 228 (RMAC 2021). Has anyone ever birdied every hole in a golf tournament? Nope. But millions of people still play all the time….
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