Whole new level of silence

So my bud got me a DonnyFL Emperor for my Bday and I just had to try it with the extension. Well folks if you want to only hear the action firing on an Impact this is the setup. No noise but the hammer and yes it is big and long but very effective. Will see if it effects accuracy this weekend. 

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So my bud got me a DonnyFL Emperor for my Bday and I just had to try it with the extension. Well folks if you want to only hear the action firing on an Impact this is the setup. No noise but the hammer and yes it is big and long but very effective. Will see if it effects accuracy this weekend. 

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Thats quite a bit of overall volume you got at the end of the barrel there. What caliber are you shooting? When I had my Impact X .30, the stock moderator seemed to be enough to produce the same effect (obviously the pellet strikes sounded like a dump truck hitting a brick wall doing 60mph).
 
Wow! What an awesome birthday gift! That's a great friend! 
I have the exact same suppression setup, but in my case, it broke the bank..
Here it is on my Artemis PP700S-A .22 cal pistol, 
and again on my Kral Arms Puncher Breaker .22 cal bullpup.. 
Quiet as a 'mouse fart'? Psh.. More like an 'ant fart'! 🤣

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In all seriousness, I got the Emperor V3 for my .25 cal Kral Nemesis, 
and I won't lie.. I really did get the extender just to throw on the pistol - as a joke!
That combo though.. WOW! It is so quiet it's ridiculous!

I've been limited to shooting 10 meters indoors only, and I really wanted to test the .25 cal.. 
1 shot, and the crack and echos almost made my ears bleed.. Not anymore! 

Accuracy - Here's an interesting one.. 
With the combo on my .25, the accuracy and consistency is the same - Dead on. 
With the combo on my .22 pistol, the accuracy and consistency is the same also.. 
But..
When I threw the combo on the Puncher Breaker .22 cal, it didn't group well at all.. 
I think that the added volume of the extender must have been effecting the pellets - in a bad way.. 
Remove the extender, use just the Emperor V3, and it was back to dead-on accuracy / consistency.

Weird..

So apparently using the combo on smaller caliber setups can be hit and miss..
My setup was originally the big-bore version, but Donny and I converted the ends down to .25 or .30
I think it originally came set up for a .45 cal

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😃👍 

Sam -
 
Sorry but I agree with elbow grease, the whole point of an impact was the fact that it is a very short compact Bullpup air rifle dot-... adding items that make it this long just makes it look ridiculous I think. Although it would be good if you were out in the woods in broke your leg you could use it as a crutch to get you home!😂
 
How loud you perceive your gun as being will have a lot to do with what sort of sound reflective surfaces you have in front of you. Outside at long range is easy because there is basically nothing to reflect that sound back at you. A real challenge is to dryfire your rifle aimed flat and square to drywall 3 feet in front of your muzzle. So far I haven't found a setup yet where if you do that the hammer slap is still the loudest part. Maybe you have the first? ;) 



Just my 2c. :)
 
How loud you perceive your gun as being will have a lot to do with what sort of sound reflective surfaces you have in front of you. Outside at long range is easy because there is basically nothing to reflect that sound back at you. A real challenge is to dryfire your rifle aimed flat and square to drywall 3 feet in front of your muzzle. So far I haven't found a setup yet where if you do that the hammer slap is still the loudest part. Maybe you have the first? ;) 

Just my 2c. :)

That has nothing in common with firing a projectile which keeps the can sealed until the pressure drops. You'll always get much more sound dry firing.
 
...thought my Shogun was overkill on my crown lol. Giving me ideas for my MKII when I get it! 


I make caliber specific baffle kits for the OEM FX moderators that make them quieter than anything I've seen on the market. You can add more 3" (75mm) long center tubes to make them even quieter. A double center tube 7 3/4" (197mm) on my 100+ fpe .30 Impact makes it way more quiet that the Ronin I had on it. The difference is like night and day.

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So my bud got me a DonnyFL Emperor for my Bday and I just had to try it with the extension. Well folks if you want to only hear the action firing on an Impact this is the setup. No noise but the hammer and yes it is big and long but very effective. Will see if it effects accuracy this weekend. 

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Thats quite a bit of overall volume you got at the end of the barrel there. What caliber are you shooting? When I had my Impact X .30, the stock moderator seemed to be enough to produce the same effect (obviously the pellet strikes sounded like a dump truck hitting a brick wall doing 60mph).

I have it on my 700mm .25cal Impact X.

Just to be clear to all the folks here I didn't do this to retract from the Impact size or intend to use this setup as a woods gun. I want to be able to shoot as quite as possible around my home off the bipod. My intention of posting this was to let people who were contemplating spending the money on an Emperor or adding the extension on how effective it is. I dont think it's pretty or light because it's not. But it is the quietest PCP setup I own now. If I had to guess I would say twice as quite as my Mrods. 
 
Hookster, that’s awesome. I completely understand wanting the gun to be as quiet as possible. I’m dealing with a lot more activity at the neighbors place and I have to only use my quiet guns while it’s busy. Seems to me that the length is a fine price to pay for whisper quiet, one move and your back to the short impact. AZ was explaining to me how that a pellet can go unstable as it goes through the shroud, even if it didn’t touch the shroud the air can cause it to go unstable where the pellet passes too closely to one side of the hole. Just a tiny puff of air that’s not behind the pellet can cause terrible groups, even with no signs of clipping. The air gets crowded by the pellet being close to the edge of the hole and kind of pushes it out of the perfect spiral and into a wobbly shot. And with no clipping you would have no idea what was going wrong. It is fun to remedy these issues and come up with something that works well. Thanks for sharing your findings.
 
How loud you perceive your gun as being will have a lot to do with what sort of sound reflective surfaces you have in front of you. Outside at long range is easy because there is basically nothing to reflect that sound back at you. A real challenge is to dryfire your rifle aimed flat and square to drywall 3 feet in front of your muzzle. So far I haven't found a setup yet where if you do that the hammer slap is still the loudest part. Maybe you have the first? ;) 

Just my 2c. :)

That has nothing in common with firing a projectile which keeps the can sealed until the pressure drops. You'll always get much more sound dry firing.

Having tested both, you're absolutely right that dryfiring in most designs is louder. That said it is not as much louder as you might expect, at least with the the majority of designs out there. If your designs primarily rely on very tight baffle tolerances to function, it is very possible yours become significantly louder when dryfired. I've never tested such a concentricity-dependent design though. I have however done a lot of test shooting indoors, both with pellets and dryfire, and the point I was trying to make was simply that having a sound reflective surface directly in front of your gun, dryfire or not, will make it sound substantially louder to the shooter.

And, of course, I wouldn't want to suggest to most people that they try putting pellets into their walls just to make sure they're happy with the sound. ;) 

...thought my Shogun was overkill on my crown lol. Giving me ideas for my MKII when I get it! 


I make caliber specific baffle kits for the OEM FX moderators that make them quieter than anything I've seen on the market. You can add more 3" (75mm) long center tubes to make them even quieter. A double center tube 7 3/4" (197mm) on my 100+ fpe .30 Impact makes it way more quiet that the Ronin I had on it. The difference is like night and day.

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By the way, I'd love to give one of your designs a test. I'm trying to collect data to compare every silencer design I can get my hands on, so if you have something that is made for .22 and screws onto 1/2 UNF you'd be willing to loan me that'd be fantastic. I'd love to see a new benchmark for silence established. :D 




 
So my bud got me a DonnyFL Emperor for my Bday and I just had to try it with the extension. Well folks if you want to only hear the action firing on an Impact this is the setup. No noise but the hammer and yes it is big and long but very effective. Will see if it effects accuracy this weekend. 

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That is extreme! I can only imagine how quiet the firing cycle i will be with the additional Emperor V3 extension.

Hookster, quick question, did the weight of the whole moderator setup affect the barrel droop of the Impact's free float barrel? It must have changed the POI significantly once you added all the moderator parts to the front end?

I, too, mounted the Emperor onto my FX Impact X 25 cal to test a while back, but reverted back to stock FX moderator because even though the Emperor further silenced the shot cycle, the sound denominator was still the whizzing sound of the pellet flying towards the target and the pellet impact. These 2 sounds were already louder than my stock FX Impact X 25 cal, so I felt that the Emperor did not add much in terms of overall sound reduction for the additional penalties I added to the Impact.

I just wish there was a way to reduce the pellet whizzing thru the air sound, because if one stood downrange when a stock moderator FX Impact fired, the pellet's flight path whizzing is the sound one hears, not the shot cycle itself. 




 
Having tested both, you're absolutely right that dryfiring in most designs is louder. That said it is not as much louder as you might expect, at least with the the majority of designs out there. If your designs primarily rely on very tight baffle tolerances to function, it is very possible yours become significantly louder when dryfired. I've never tested such a concentricity-dependent design though. I have however done a lot of test shooting indoors, both with pellets and dryfire, and the point I was trying to make was simply that having a sound reflective surface directly in front of your gun, dryfire or not, will make it sound substantially louder to the shooter.

And, of course, I wouldn't want to suggest to most people that they try putting pellets into their walls just to make sure they're happy with the sound. ;)

The problem you run into firing pellets into a wall in front of you is that the impact sound blends in. Real world use is the only true test for me because conditions are always changing.

I only have the M20X1 FX size.