Who uses a pre-compressor filter/desiccant when direct filling a gun?

A post-compressor filter has to be filled with compressed air before or as the gun tank is filled. Since the filter volume is comparable in size to the gun volume the compressor has to do twice the work needed compared to utilizing a pre-compressor filter through which the air would be drawn.

At least that is how it seems to me. Any thoughts? 
 
I use a desiccant filter I constructed which consists of a 2qt jug containing primarily calcium chloride salt with a dip tube that sits about 1/4" off the bottom. I use it with my Hill MK3 pump. The top of the jug contains a felt filter in the top that acts as a particulate filter. I do not use the moisture removal kit on the Hill MK3 I only use the pump attachment part of the kit. I attached an air hose quick disconnect - male on the Hill pump and female on the hose. When not in use I obstruct the dip tube. The system is hermetically sealed if the dip tube is obstructed which eliminates unnecessary use of the desiccant.

The calcium chloride salt I am using is popularly known as "damprid" and the MSDS sheet is available at https://damprid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/DR_Moisture_Absorber_SDS-FG01K.pdf  I am not affiliated with "damprid" in any way and use it because it is an easily accessible way to acquire calcium chloride.

I use this system because it provides positive visual feedback for the current moisture level of the desiccant and works very well. Leaving a single granule of calcium chloride out in the ambient air will result in it becoming quite moist in a matter of seconds in my location. It also provides a large amount of medium for moisture removal and was inexpensive. After 10 pumping sessions there is a noticeable salt-moisture ball near the dip tube about the size of a half dollar and spherical in shape. I often pump from 70-100 bar to 200 bar. Upon completion I have never observed any sign of moisture around the bleed screw. I have filled the air gun on 3 occasions under a covered porch while it was raining with no fear of moisture ingress.

If I were to purchase a compressor I would construct a similar system to remove as much moisture as possible prior to gas compression.
 
Certainly. When pumping the thumb screw on the dip tube is removed, if I don't do this, it creates a vacuum. The dip tube is sealed inside the bottle with a drilled hole the same size as the input hole into the Hill MK3. I am only using the pump connection from the Hill moisture kit. When pumping during the upstroke there is a clearly audible 'hiss' as air is drawn in via the dip tube. This helps me better "time" my downstroke pump to ensure maximum intake -- the hissing stops when the pump is full of equalized pressure air awaiting the pump down stroke.



Quick disconnect fitting, the vinyl tubing is placed around the blue top, there is a nodule that sticks out that originally held a plastic drinking nipple. The fitting on the Hill MK3 is covered when not in use to prevent debris ingress.

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Initial construction of the bottle prior to filling with damprid ($10 USD 'bucket' in the RV section at major retail stores). The hole drilled into the bottle to accommodate the dip tube is smaller in diameter than the flexible tubing allowing for a seal to be formed. At the bottom of the dip tube that is sealed off at the very bottom there is a hole drilled the same diameter as the hole on the air intake for the Hill MK3.

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The dip-tube thumb screw to seal the system off hermetically to keep the calcium chloride from processing moisture in the ambient air when not pumping is shown below. I had this part lying around but anything to block the dip tube would work fine.

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The salt-moisture ball I was speaking to earlier. This shows a mild amount of moisture has been collected by the calcium chloride salt. If you've never used "damprid" before it turns to a salt-water solution when no longer capable of adsorbing water. By having the dip tube below the surface of any potential water collection I've maximized the filter medium exposed since air is drawn through the dip tube to the bottom, through the filter medium, and out from the top into the hand pump. Additionally, if any salt-water solution were to exist in the bottom it would not be drawn into the pump and would also be clearly visible. In the picture below the black/brown circle on the dip tube is actually the drilled hole the same diameter as the air intake hole on the MK3. The goal here was to ensure a reasonable air flow rate into the filter medium to maximize moisture removal. The end of the dip tube, aside from the drilled hole, is sealed.

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Finally, this is the felt pad I was speaking to, I have little concern of salt dust or debris making it past this. The wide tube into the pump allows for maximum air flow without creating a significant air disturbance or stirring up any dust to be collected by the felt filter. The felt filter is about 1/8" to 1/4" thick. The discolored ring on the felt filter is not debris or salt dust, it's where the edges of the felt soaked up the Elmers glue used to glue the filter in place.

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Total cost of the entire setup was less than $15 USD. The filter medium should last for years and would run about $10 from any local large retailer to replace. The goal of the project was to have clear visual indication when to change, create something that was easily portable and able to be disconnected quickly, be hermetically sealed when not in use to avoid unnecessarily removing moisture from the ambient air when not pumping, and to increase the amount of moisture removing medium significantly.

After every pumping there are no signs of moisture around the relief valve, on my fingers, or anywhere. The air expressed from the relief valve at 200-210 bar shows no signs of any moisture collection.

Hope this helped,

LMNOP
 
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To me, it looks fairly silly, but it works well and gets the job done. :)

If I were to go the compressor route I'd likely build something similar but scaled up for the increased air intake flow, if any. Maybe a 2.5 gallon bucket or something. Anything that removes moisture from the ambient air prior to compression has to be a step in the right direction.
 
Not knocking your system. I would place a small mesh bag of colored desiccant on the surface of your calcium salt in the bottle to give a visual indication of how well it is working. The water vapor is contained in the air. I tend to fill my guns on low humidity days. pressurizing the water vapor ( humidified air)forces it to condense as the molecules are forced closer and closer together hence form forming a liquid to occupy less space under pressure. you can put it between the shop compressor and the booster compressor ( shoe box etc) but the booster creates more pressure and the water filter is best placed there on the high pressure side prior to your airgun tank or refill tank. I prefer mechanical water seperators ( filters) that have a screen so fine no water molecule can pass through. next best choice is desiccant which can be baked in the oven or more easily heated in the microwave to renew it. this is a good solution as long as you monitor the desiccant often and subject it to heat until it changes back to its original color. I can see that if you force air through a long enough calcium salt path ( a long tube) that may fully remove the water vapor prior to the 1st stage of compression.
 
... colored desiccant on the surface of your calcium salt in the bottle to give a visual indication of how well it is working.

An excellent suggestion! I recently ported this system for use with the Airforce ePump -- I left the colored desiccant in the cylinder which will act as a visual indicator for how well the first stage calcium chloride is doing for moisture removal. I was primarily using the bleed screw as a moisture indicator. I believe the low velocity air movement with the ePump as well as the hand pump provide more "dry time" than a higher CFM-based pump or compressor.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/airforce-epump-overpriced-under-performing-but-runs-off-3-2amp-12v-dc/#post-449138

Thank you for this excellent suggestion!