When I felt remorse about hunting of a dove (Video)


Hassan, Thanks for sharing this. You obviously recognize how precious life is. It’s awful when you screw up a shot and then have to deal with it. Taking away life does mean something, and to have these feelings about it shows that you respect it, in my opinion. Plus you are eating the doves not just killing for fun. Good for you for deeply considering it, then sharing it.

I appreciate your reply.

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A great story, and well documented. These situations are well known between hunters, and the fact that you have second thoughts is nothing but a human reaction, and why we are not animals. 

Even the cutest cat would play with the mouse, and even hurt it badly before killing it. And acting rather proud afterwards, even treat the mouse as a trophy. Well, there the cat and (some) hunters may have some similarities.....

Sorry, not helpful, but I try to say that you appear to be a decent chap Egyptian_sniper.

Thanks sir ,I understand your opinion

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If this helps.....wild animals/birds don't feel sorry for themselves.

This. I’m fully convinced most or all animals have personalities, can problem solve, and experience emotions, based on a lifetime of observation of animal behavior. But nonetheless people they are not. 

Once I shot a baby coon in front of its momma. Momma examined her dead baby, ran off a few paces, then walked back and went to eating corn again. Corn meant more to her than her dead baby. 

Animals are amazing living beings in many respects. In other respects, they are biological robots that live only within the parameters of their programing.

You shot a baby raccoon in front of her mother and you imply the mother was heartless. That’s rich.

Oh, I’m not implying it. I’m openly stating she’s pretty much a biological robot whose has genetic programming we call “instinct.” Animals are not moral actors like we are. They don’t ponder the morality of life and what they do. If they did, they would be culpable for their actions. Yet none of us are about to indict a killer whale or sea otter for rape and murder

Are you strong enough to handle the truth? Or does the truth hurt your feelings? That you care more about a baby coon than its mother only proves my point



Bullfrog, I’m plenty strong enough to handle the truth...my truth. Your truth is true to you and total BS to me. Biological robot, is absolutely hilarious, except that you believe it. . And you’re reading comprehension skills are zero as well as your sense of irony.

I never said I cared more about the baby raccoon than the mother.

And to the follow up poster I am more than happy to share my property with the native animals around me if some of my plants get eaten so be it.




 
Be careful before you start criticizing reading comprehension skills. Not only are you engaging in emotional personal attacks by doing so, you may be bringing your own reading skills into question. Its clear in the context of what I wrote that I was referring to you caring more about the baby coon than the baby coon’s own mother did. The sentence doesn’t make sense in context otherwise. 
 
You are the one that asserted “your” into it. I did not state “my” truth. I stated “the” truth. “The” truth is objective and absolute. Not relative to the individual. Either a raccoon mother regards corn more than her baby. Or she doesn’t. One answer is true, the other is false.

I’m sorry this discussion makes you so angry. It does not anger me, and I’m very puzzled by your negative emotional responses directed at me personally instead of discussing the substance of the issue. 

It reminds me of the kind of vitriol from the anti hunters I have to deal with on Youtube on my channel. 
 
Not understanding you there on that last sentence. Another personal insult about “bull?”

Anyhow, this entire turn of the thread is instructive.

At the end of the day, how we treat our fellow man is far more important than how we treat wild animals. A person who frets over animals but doesn’t regard his fellow man is missing the mark as to what really matters in life. 
 
Not understanding you there on that last sentence. Another personal insult about “bull?”

Anyhow, this entire turn of the thread is instructive.

At the end of the day, how we treat our fellow man is far more important than how we treat wild animals. A person who frets over animals but doesn’t regard his fellow man is missing the mark as to what really matters in life.

Bull, I’m not into helping you be the poor little victim anymore. Poor lil guy that you are getting insulted so easily. Would you prefer Snowflake?

Again reading comprehension is not your strong, never once did I say I have no regard for my fellow man. I believe a good person can be concerned about man and animals, which I think is beyond your ken. If you want to continue this discourse PM me. 
 
Not understanding you there on that last sentence. Another personal insult about “bull?”

Anyhow, this entire turn of the thread is instructive.

At the end of the day, how we treat our fellow man is far more important than how we treat wild animals. A person who frets over animals but doesn’t regard his fellow man is missing the mark as to what really matters in life.

Bull, I’m not into helping you be the poor little victim anymore. Poor lil guy that you are getting insulted so easily. Would you prefer Snowflake?

Again reading comprehension is not your strong, never once did I say I have no regard for my fellow man. I believe a good person can be concerned about man and animals, which I think is beyond your ken. If you want to continue this discourse PM me.

Did I write that you “said” you have no regard for your fellow man?
 
I'm in the medical field and I question whether the dove's behavior indicated that it was upset at the prospect of dying, or something else. It's not clear what emotions this type of animal has, or what its concept of life and death are. But they do have a sensory nervous system, and this dove was likely in considerable pain. In addition it may have lost enough blood to be entering state of shock and therefore not fully cognizant and confused. Also it may have had a brain injury from the fall.

In any case it is logical to conclude the dove was suffering and should have been dispatched with a second shot ASAP.
 
As a boy, my dad gave me the green light to eradicate a woodpecker problem we had. I used to shoot 2-5 per day. I've hunted deer all my life and various other varmints and birds. As I gotten older and been trying to save animals for about 22 years now (veterinarian), I have an extreme respect for all life and have a hard time even killing a grasshopper. I still like to deer hunt but don't shoot ... just like to be out there. That being said, I have a large rat in my clinic/kennel that has been terrorizing us for months. My camera system shows him to be too smart for even the most sophisticated traps, barrels, and such and I refuse to use poison ... he might die in the walls or one of my in house animals might ingest a poisoned rat. I admire him even more actually but he has to go so I'm learning his patterns and am going to hunt ... I will not enjoy this.
 
As a boy, my dad gave me the green light to eradicate a woodpecker problem we had. I used to shoot 2-5 per day. I've hunted deer all my life and various other varmints and birds. As I gotten older and been trying to save animals for about 22 years now (veterinarian), I have an extreme respect for all life and have a hard time even killing a grasshopper. I still like to deer hunt but don't shoot ... just like to be out there. That being said, I have a large rat in my clinic/kennel that has been terrorizing us for months. My camera system shows him to be too smart for even the most sophisticated traps, barrels, and such and I refuse to use poison ... he might die in the walls or one of my in house animals might ingest a poisoned rat. I admire him even more actually but he has to go so I'm learning his patterns and am going to hunt ... I will not enjoy this.
 
As a boy, my dad gave me the green light to eradicate a woodpecker problem we had. I used to shoot 2-5 per day. I've hunted deer all my life and various other varmints and birds. As I gotten older and been trying to save animals for about 22 years now (veterinarian), I have an extreme respect for all life and have a hard time even killing a grasshopper. I still like to deer hunt but don't shoot ... just like to be out there. That being said, I have a large rat in my clinic/kennel that has been terrorizing us for months. My camera system shows him to be too smart for even the most sophisticated traps, barrels, and such and I refuse to use poison ... he might die in the walls or one of my in house animals might ingest a poisoned rat. I admire him even more actually but he has to go so I'm learning his patterns and am going to hunt ... I will not enjoy this.

It is interesting to try to draw conclusions about dove thoughts according to its behavior.
 
Gentlemen, poets, philosophers...I'm 76, and have lived an eventful life. I've had to deal with poverty, drugs, war, alcoholism, ungrateful children, road rage, and 50+ years of marriage to the same woman. As I reflect on my experiences, I have come to the following conclusions...



I feel no remorse when I shoot a goose, a beautiful, graceful, magnificent, creature that poops all over my boat, my dock, my lawn chairs, I don't like geese.

I feel no remorse when I kill an armadillo. A hardy creature, a scavenger of nature's trash, it means harm to no one and conducts it's business at night, It digs holes in my wife's flower garden, looking for the night crawlers I put in there at great personal expense. My wife awakens to a bright sunny day and finds holes all over her flower garden, so I catch hell because I am held responsible for the presence of those holes!

I shoot harmless English Sparrows, and common Black Birds, because they are an invasive species that takes food out of the beaks of our native song birds! They eat my expensive Walmart birdseed, and give me nothing in return. The bastards can't even sing!!! While 4 and 20 of them might make a pie, YOU try cleaning that many birds! Then talk your wife into baking the damn things in her oven, and Corelle casserole dish!

I shoot raccoons because they are ill-tempered, and downright mean! I never met one I liked, and I don't want them in my neighborhood going through my garbage can, deck box, trash bags, and scattering crap all over the street. Besides...I like to watch them jump around after a head shot...sometimes, as I watch, I clap my hands and dance a little jig while singing the lyrics of the catchy ballad written by Huddie “Lead Belly” Ledbetter,.. Whoa, Black Betty


I kill possums....because they are ugly! I don't like ugly women either...they may be good dancers, but they are still ugly.



Fond regards,



Kindly 'Ol Uncle 





 "...Life is short, and we must run, but I've lots of pellets for my gun, and there's plenty of critters before I'm done."

It's interesting to see life with the eyes of those with experience, thank you sir.