What's youtube up to deleting some airguns sites?

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    ackuric
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    To those who think this isn’t a calculated effort to attack the weak and ignore the powerful for now you should consider this, why is youtube removing content/banning users that couldn’t stand a chance in court fighting for their rights, yet there are MANY other fire arm and airgun related videos/users left unscathed. If this were some algorithmic effect then there would be no bias, you would see a clean sweep. If you know how computer code/algorithms work you’d know this…

    They are simply starting towards the bottom and working their way up. I bet you could find hundreds of videos with very low views and the same with very high views/sub counts. The very low end isn’t a concern and wasting time removing that content isn’t as impacting as removing content with reasonable view count. Starting at the high end would jeopardize their whole agenda by starting a potential civil action lawsuit / huge movement….

    Calculated. As calculated as they’d have to be to get away with it…don’t ever underestimate the enemy!

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    Maineiac
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    I know how computers and algorithms work. Videos with a higher view count show up more often in YouTube’s algorithm and are also more likely to get flagged for review by some overzealous left wing viewer.

    If this was some vast conspiracy then how to you explain why channels like infowars exist on YouTube? The reason some of these big companies aren’t being blocked is again about money. Many of them are advertisers themselves.

    Youtube’s moderators may have their own personal biases for sure but as a company they’ve been taken over by the suits and are beholden to their advertisers. It’s those advertisers who are threatening to pull their money out if their brands are shown on what they consider as “controversial” videos.

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    LDP
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    I keep seeing people post about youtube taking rights and attacking smaller channels cause they cant fight for their rights. Sorry to say but youtube isnt taking away anyones rights. You sign an agreement when you create a channel or post on youtube saying you will follow the rules of youtube. They do not have to allow you to post anything on yourube and its up to them to decide what content stays or goes. You have no recourse of action in court against youtube for removing a video or removing a channel. Start breaking the rules on this site or any other one and you will be removed in the same manner. You dont get to choose whats acceptable to post on any site unless you are the creator/admin. 

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    fishinwrench
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    You guys might be over thinking this.  Has anyone from YT stated that it was because it was a “gun channel”?

    I ask because I know a bunch of guys with fishing channels, and quite a few with Marine tech channels and they are all getting the axe too.

    Here’s what I think the REAL DEAL is……Becoming a video producer has become a big thing as of late.  Everyswinging dick with a GoPro is trying to turn their hobby into a business…..and frankly, there’s only so much money that YT wants to share.   I think it’s just a matter of thinning the herd.  Only the biggest and the best (percieved by whom, who knows?) are gonna get paid.    
    Everything has it’s limits. YT is in the advertising business and I’m not sure there is a conspiracy or anti-gun agenda at work here.  If so then there is also an anti-fishing, and anti-boat enthusiast conspiracy going on also.   

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    Bullfrog
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    “Maineiac” 
    If this was some vast conspiracy then how to you explain why channels like infowars exist on YouTube? The reason some of these big companies aren’t being blocked is again about money. Many of them are advertisers themselves.
     

    
I agree the reason the larger channels aren’t as easily blocked is because of money; ie they have too much of a following for Youtube to anger 1 million subscribers. But that just proves our point. 

    But as for Inforwars, the news today is that Youtube is pulling their vids and threatening to delete the channel if it gets two more strikes. 

    Its a copput to say “its not Youtube its the advertisers”. Because even if that’s true, that still means leftist advertises are trying to stomp out speech they don’t like. The result is the same. The gun/hunting/conservative haters out there are trying to destroy people that fit the stereotypes of who they perceive their enemy to be. 

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    Bullfrog
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    “fishinwrench”You guys might be over thinking this.  Has anyone from YT stated that it was because it was a “gun channel”?
    I ask because I know a bunch of guys with fishing channels, and quite a few with Marine tech channels and they are all getting the axe too.
    Here’s what I think the REAL DEAL is……Becoming a video producer has become a big thing as of late.  Everyswinging dick with a GoPro is trying to turn their hobby into a business…..and frankly, there’s only so much money that YT wants to share.   I think it’s just a matter of thinning the herd.  Only the biggest and the best (percieved by whom, who knows?) are gonna get paid.    
    Everything has it’s limits. YT is in the advertising business and I’m not sure there is a conspiracy or anti-gun agenda at work here.  If so then there is also an anti-fishing, and anti-boat enthusiast conspiracy going on also.   

    The perception, right or wrong, is that the traditional outdoor nature sports (hunting and sport fishing) 
are squarely in the realm of WASP conservatives. It wouldn’t prove much if fishing channels were getting the axe. What would prove your point more is whether lots of smaller video game and similar channels are getting axed. Youtube is oversaturated with teenagers filming themselves playing video games and cussing a storm. If youtube was aggressively culling those videos too for their vulgarity and leftists saying distasteful things, then you might have a point. But if its only outdoor sports and right leaning political channels being targeted, then that’s more than suspicious. 

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    Willie14228
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    I think a lot of the channels getting nixed are the free accounts. You tube is trying to force those that are using these videos to make money off of them to pay. Think about it many of the channels that get nixed is the ones that are sponsored from outside sources 

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    X27
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    Here we go.

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    Glem.Chally
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    “X27”Here we go.


    De-pinger! that’s like a bump stock!

    jk

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    Willie14228
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    True but it can be a dangerous act. Anytime someone who doesn’t know what they are doing and messing with a 3000 to 4500 psi tank could spell disaster.
    I watched a video talking about installing a depinger 
    The guy used WD-40 silicone lube and only on a after thought made sure to say not to use regular WD-40 
    A slip up like this could kill someone

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    X27
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    Here is another channel that got shutdown

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    Bullfrog
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    Is Youtube banning all those silly Vine videos where teenagers do stupid things and hurt themselves? What about all the various prank and stunt video where even famous people like Johnny Knoxville can or actually do get hurt or do very questionable things?

    Its dangerous to work on your car, is Youtube banning mechanic videos?

    Maybe some people reading this discussion lean more towards “the other side” politically speaking and don’t want to believe that their compatriots really engage in this kind of thought policing. All I can say is look at the evidence objectively and I think that the greater weight clearly is pointing ng to a pattern where Youtube is trying to police what it perceives to be the “gun culture.” 

    I’m all for an alternate means of posting videos. But what this is really about is the Googleyoutubefacebook cartel not wanting our “culture” to spread to the masses who use their products and are being drawn to the outdoor and shooting ways of life the more the masses see of it. If we leave the commonly used social media outlets, we’re giving cartel what they want by removing ourselves from the wider culture that is starved for alternate ways of life from the urban, tech driven lives they have now.  

     

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    AirgunsARP
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    “blackdiesel”I see they deleted Tony Roman’s site.  He only does reviews on his site and now I see they deleted AoA’s site too.  They deleted the hunting video from AEAC. 

    Thanks for posting this here. I tend to lurk more than anything on AGN due to lack of time.

    For those of you who don’t know of me, I run a small hobby website, http://www.airgunsarp.com as well as a large Facebook group page/group at http://www.facebook.com/airgunsarp. I share industry news, product information, and where possible, do product reviews. I don’t post any hunting videos, and try and keep things very family friendly, as this to me is a fun way to promote my hobby. I’ve been active here in Wisconsin politically in getting Airguns allowed during all of our traditional hunting seasons, and as part of that I’ve testified at public assembly and senate hearing in support of our sport and hobby.

    Yes, they did suspend my channel back on February 12th. That preceded the unfortunate events in Florida.
    They flagged one of my videos as ‘promoting violent acts’ and another as ‘promoting a scam or spam’, then shut me down. My appeals were denied in record time, and I was told I could do nothing and am banned from ever owning a YouTube account.

    For those who are curious, here are links to the ‘offensive’ videos on Vimeo and Facebook
    2018 SHOT Hammer news: (was pretty proud of that one)
    2018 SHOT Airforce / RAW news: 

    Airforce Airguns stunned the airgunning world today with their announcement they had acquired Rapid Air Weapons, a high…

    Posted by Airguns: Air Rifles and Pistols on Tuesday, February 13, 2018

    (Sorry not yet on Vimeo)

    I’ve been moving my content to Vimeo, and adding relevant content to Facebook. 

    The part that’s insane here is that this has pretty HUGE implications beyond my tiny presence. As of this morning, AoA, Pyramyd, EdGun West, HatsanUSA, Daystate, along with numerous other channels are no longer on YouTube. 

    As for a fix, this may frustrate some however my opinion is it somewhat needs to be an all or nothing deal at this point. YouTube by being selective in how it decides to arbitrarily apply and enforce it’s community guidelines and self policing standards has gong down a very slippery slope of creating a technological controlled caste and censorship system. Businesses that somehow manage to stay on YouTube are in effect given a ‘golden ticket’, while those who are left on the sidelines are, to put it frankly, screwed over. Unlike websites or video hosting services such as Vimeo, D-Tube, Daily Motion etc, YouTube is based on being a social sharing and discovery platform first, a content sharing system second. Those who are left outside of it’s gilded gates are going to pay the consequences.

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    Willie14228
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    @airgunsarp
    Man I am sorry to here that 
    The only real solution to all this is to completely stop using YouTube. And the only real way to have full control over your videos is to host them yourself from your own site. 
    What really needs to happen is all of the hunting, shooting, and other outdoor sporting suppliers boycott YouTube, Google …… And all other companies trying to strong arm us and start advertising internally.
    Sponsor the hunting and other shows directly instead of using the above services.
    Part of the whole issue started because of that very service
    Before if a company wanted advertising from a host or show they would approach them directly now they use Google’s system that just will post ads from the highest bidder to a video.
    Before If a host or provider did or said something that a sponsor didn’t like or approve of they could pull the sponsorship and this made sure the channel stayed clean and within bounds
    Now the censor is out of both parties hands 
    For the little guys with little to no sponsorship get together create a co-op put your money together and start a website with your vids 
    The big fish can easily host their own videos from their website 

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    Brian10956
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    I think finding a place to put your videos is not that difficult,  the problem is for some of the videographers making videos can be costly and YouTube is stoping them from earning. 

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    T3PRanch
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    Good luck divesting yourself of Google “properties”!

    Search Engine and all related services for website owners.
    DNS Services
    Web Browser and Chrome OS
    YouTube
    FarceBook

    and the really big one
    Android OS which is now on hundreds of millions devices.

    20 years ago yes it was possible. Today it is doubtful without moderate to extreme sacrifices of “conveniences” that people have come to rely on day to day.

    Thurmond

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    AirgunsARP
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    “Brian10956”I think finding a place to put your videos is not that difficult,  the problem is for some of the videographers making videos can be costly and YouTube is stoping them from earning. 


    Hosting is simple. Getting your content discovered and in a fashion that will continue to be relevant is not. Thankfully for me YouTube was always a secondary vector for getting content to fellow enthusiasts. There are some airgun content creators out there however that only have their YouTube presence.

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    AirgunsARP
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    Anyone know any other channels that went down recently?

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    Willie14228
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    @brian10956
    True, but that is what I mean,
    Look it is very unfortunate that the good guys are getting popped!
    But ever since this monitized system started it started us in this direction. The most views gets the most money… What gets the most views anything that shocks 
    So now these vids color way out of the lines opening the door for the right-wing to come and and shoot down anything they don’t like. Even if it’s not one of those channels that are out of bounds 
    And I’m not saying this is the case but I wonder how many of the big channel hosts are waging some war against these upcoming channels.
    You have to realize they are losing a huge amount of revenue to all these small channels/hosts
    Sponsors are spreading the budget across all these little channels / self recording hosts who are charging a 1/4 or less for sponsorship/ad spot
    This is a niche market advertising budget only goes so far 

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    blackdiesel
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    “AirgunsARP”Anyone know any other channels that went down recently?

    
Both of Baxter Walton’s sites were zapped.

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