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I'm really surprised Steve, Michael, the guys at Hard Air Magazine or someone else doesn't gather this information and share it with everyone. I know they were probably very busy but it would be great information to share with everyone.

At PRS events, officials often ask us what gun, stock, barrel, scope, mounts, brass, powder, bullets, sling, bags and rangefinder we're using. It would be great to see something similar for the air gun world... Which air gun, mounts, scope, pellets, bipod, accessories and at what velocity the competitors are shooting(if they'll share fps).

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I'm really surprised Steve or the guys at Hard Air Magazine or someone else doesn't gather this information and share it with everyone.

At PRS events, they often ask us what gun, stock, barrel, scope, mounts, brass, powder, bullets, sling, bags and rangefinder we're using.

It would be great to see something similar for the air gun world... Which air gun, mounts, scope, pellets, bipod, accessories and at what velocity they're shooting(if they'll share fps).

Stoti
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This is more true in airgunning than anywhere else. These accessories and parameters are very useful info...or at least interesting to know.
 
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AoA had a fallout with FX , they run an event where Daystate rifles are the majority and then 8/10 top ten 100 ebr finalist are FX rifles. Hence they don’t list rifles used.... I am sure if they were Daystate it would be listed.
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And that, B’s & G’s, is called being biased. I own one FX Elite. I’ve owned a Daystate Air Wolf. Daystate build, finish is top notch in my opinion & FX is leading pack in what many want. I personally don’t like their tiny Swiss watch like parts. Dang things can shoot though. I also don’t like electronics on my guns. Heck I still shoot tuned spring guns but a list of what top 100 contestants used would be the right thing to do. 
I remember when those 1st 5 were usually AZ Rapids. Information. We want information. 
 
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AoA had a fallout with FX , they run an event where Daystate rifles are the majority and then 8/10 top ten 100 ebr finalist are FX rifles. Hence they don’t list rifles used.... I am sure if they were Daystate it would be listed.
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That's exactly what I thought also when I noticed the AOA EBR results. FX and associates including their Youtube puppets, snubbed the event and so AOA isn't doing them any favors by listing that their FX guns won most of the top spots.

I don't understand Daystate's poor performance after a year of barrel development. They certainly must of geared it to the EBR event. I'm glad I held out and didn't shell out a small fortune for a Safari. 
 
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AoA had a fallout with FX , they run an event where Daystate rifles are the majority and then 8/10 top ten 100 ebr finalist are FX rifles. Hence they don’t list rifles used.... I am sure if they were Daystate it would be listed.
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I didn't want to say it, but I sure thought it. I think everyone is probably thinking it. 



I don't understand Daystate's poor performance after a year of barrel development. They certainly must of geared it to the EBR event. I'm glad I held out and didn't shell out a small fortune for a Safari.
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Some of this could just be who is running the guns, rather than the guns themselves, but I have a stab at a technical explanation. Take Ken Hicks for example, owner of SPAW. The guy is an incredibly good shooter and tuner, he sells Daystates, and is considered one of the premier Daystate tuners/reprogrammers for the redwolf series of airguns. He can clearly use whatever rifle he wants, and yet he picked an FX Impact. That should say something. 

As far as the year of barrel development goes, there is a very VERY important technology gap between how FX barrels are made and how Lothar Walther barrels are made. While people deride "FX barrel tubing," the simple reality is that all barrels start out as a piece of tubing. FX's ability to rapidly change parameters and test the results, IN HOUSE, dramatically shortens the development cycle. Matt Dubber in his slug barrel development spent, if memory serves, about a week and a half at the FX factory to perfect an entirely new set of barrel parameters to get polygonal choked barrels shooting slugs accurately. That is absolutely insane, and I'm sure FX has and may continue to do similar to improve their highly performing .30 caliber barrels which are used in matches. Now compare that to Daystate. They don't make their own barrels, they have another factory which has to do that. So, first off, that is probably expensive; any time you have to pay a consulting company to do a project for you, it tends to be much more expensive than doing it in house. Secondly, think about how those barrels are made for a second: they're button rifled. So with a few exceptions, what that means is every barrel variation you want to try, you have to design and machine an expensive new (probably tungsten carbide treated with PVD) rifling button. That is not a fast or cheap process. You then have to make a run of barrels with it, have them machined (possibly in Italy where most of daystate's guns are actually built), then shipped to England where they'll be assembled and tested by the "Daystate Team." That process probably takes a couple weeks and costs hundreds or even thousands of dollars, all to test a handful of ideas about barrel design. The point is that it is slow, expensive, and the feedback loop between trying something and that something working is less direct than one or a small team of guys trying things and testing them all in one factory so it inevitably won't work as well. And there is another thing: button rifling is a somewhat challenging and somewhat limited rifling technology. For unusual bore designs, like we use in our airguns in particular, there are things you just can't do with button rifling but can easily do with FX's "cold press forging" technology. Buttons also wear out, so a button may start its life not performing perfectly, may break in and start working amazingly, and then may be wearing out by the end and start making less than perfect barrels. In case you didn't know, this is part of why LW barrels are graded, because the manufacturing process isn't perfectly consistent. That has got to be hell if you're trying to develop a new barrel bore, because you need a large sample size to see if what you just tried actually worked, or if you just got a lucky barrel. Meanwhile my understanding is that FX has a very low discard rate on their barrels, essentially they just work. 

Thus Daystate could very easily spend an order of magnitude more money and take a year to not even accomplish what FX could do in two weeks, and it isn't Daystate's fault whatsoever. 

That that ONLY looks at the barrel aspect of the whole thing. Think about all the other moving parts involved, all they're up against. I get the distinct impression that FX and Daystate were both relatively small companies, but suddenly FX pulled ahead and has grown to be SIGNIFICANTLY larger. That gives FX loads of money to throw into development, and they do rolling out multiple upgrades and "new" models per year. Meanwhile Daystate tends to offer maybe a minor refinement or aesthetic tweak every trade show. They also only assemble their guns in England, they're actually manufactured off-site, which makes any development even harder. So assuming these big muscular .30 cals are what wins competitions like this, think about what Daystate would have to do in order to build a rifle JUST to win these competitions. Daystate hasn't even updated their magazine design since the mid '00s if memory serves. One EBR competitor even substantially modified his Redwolf JUST to take FX magazines. And that is just one of dozens of tiny little mechanical tweaks where Daystate is just a little bit behind the FX. No one would decide the competition, but put them all together and it is just hard to compete. 


And please understand, this post isn't meant as an insult to Daystate, far from it actually, it is just trying to highlight some of the factors which would make it very very challenging for a small company like Daystate to really go out and start building rifles just to compete with FX at a handful of benchrest competitions in the United States. It really would be an uphill battle, especially since almost all the best shooters are now very comfortable with their highly modular FX rifles, and would likely stick with them as FX could simply respond to any Daystate competition with a handful of upgrade parts rather than needing a new bespoke rifle. 


I hope all that seems fair and makes at least some form of sense. 
 
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Hi! Sparky!! I see no one has responded to your Question Yet!! For some reason I have only seen equipment report listed for the pro/100 yard shoot and I don't remember where I saw it but I do remember it was posted by someone from FX !! I believe out of the top ten eight were Fx I beleive "Impacts" and first place was a Russian made gun and the owner was from Russia. I can't remember the other gun but it was owned by the winner of one of last years 100 yard benchrest contests who hails from Chile. Claudio Flores. Sorry I don't have any thing more for you. J.L.
 
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Any accurate gun that can shoot a high BC pellet can compete, like my 6 year old design .30 Bobcat Mk2. The advantage that the Impact has is not in accuracy, but in high capacity magazines. Numerous times during the competition I had to stop and reload my mags, and during that time there was a lull in the wind that I didn't get to take advantage of. That being said I'm going to buy a few extra 9 shot mags before any other competitions since I only had 4 for the EBR. I think having 8 total would do the trick... You want to shoot from a magazine so you can take advantage of your sighters before the wind shifts again. Shooting single shot is possible, but you put yourself at a disadvantage doing so...

If Daystate made the new Safari (.25 or .30 caliber) with high capacity magazines (at least 20 shots), I think you'd see more Daystates in the Winner's Circle...
 
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