For me as I don't compete is "would the new ammo and barrels and guns them selves" be forth coming so quickly without this competition?
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What is the reason 100y air rifle is so popular?
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Haha, yes I very much agree with the lottery comparison. The same thought crossed my mind.
And this one too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFTRwD85AQ4
And this one too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFTRwD85AQ4
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A friend / former co-worker would say, "The lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.".
I've certainly bought a lottery ticket from time to time but I look at it as equivalent to throwing a $20 bill on the ground. Worse in some sense because the chances are better the $20 bill would be put to good use.
I've certainly bought a lottery ticket from time to time but I look at it as equivalent to throwing a $20 bill on the ground. Worse in some sense because the chances are better the $20 bill would be put to good use.
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Jason...I love that saying about the lottery. Very funny. I always say that the odds of winning are very similar whether you play or not. Haha
I think if the 10 ring size was increased about 3x....you would begin to see a real battle between the typical top 10 guys. The winner would be far more likely to actually be the best of the bunch.
Since I’m running the Nationals at Whittington center this year...I think that is exactly what I’m going to do. I will make the typical target ring values one point higher, and call the old 10 ring the X. Since it is also single load only for the 100y match....it will be a good experiment.
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/25m-50y-and-100y-benchrest-us-nationals-at-nra-whittington-center-sept-24-27/
Mike
I think if the 10 ring size was increased about 3x....you would begin to see a real battle between the typical top 10 guys. The winner would be far more likely to actually be the best of the bunch.
Since I’m running the Nationals at Whittington center this year...I think that is exactly what I’m going to do. I will make the typical target ring values one point higher, and call the old 10 ring the X. Since it is also single load only for the 100y match....it will be a good experiment.
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/25m-50y-and-100y-benchrest-us-nationals-at-nra-whittington-center-sept-24-27/
Mike
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I don’t really like to shoot that far with airguns too much so I’m not the best one to talk but here are my thoughts:
1- it wasn’t capable some years ago to even think to shoot in the wind at that distance and all new things impress
2- although for sure it helps, you don’t need very specific equipment, any good accurate and powerful rifle with a bipod is good to go. that isn’t the case in 25m BR
3- money is attractive for both the shooters and companies. They are the best and most talked about events in the outdoor airgun industry with even paid shooters and media
4- there is a conception that the very best shooter is the one that can shoot at further distances (youtube videos/sniper films/video games, etc). It seems to be more attractive, even though if the chances of hitting are lower, just as in basketball
5- tactical looking guns are attractive for a good portion of the shooters
I see the same trend in short range benchrest in powder guns, there are almost only veteran shooting. most of the young people are more attracted to PRS/Ko2M style competitions where they put some values in a cellphone and try to see where does it land and feel like a sniper. With a $1500 equipment and factory ammo you can shoot at 1000yds and that seems a lot cooler than spending 7k in equipment and some more in load development to make a 0.1” group at 100 yds
there is also a matter of fashion, all competitions in their first years are more attractive, but then it fades away a little bit.
1- it wasn’t capable some years ago to even think to shoot in the wind at that distance and all new things impress
2- although for sure it helps, you don’t need very specific equipment, any good accurate and powerful rifle with a bipod is good to go. that isn’t the case in 25m BR
3- money is attractive for both the shooters and companies. They are the best and most talked about events in the outdoor airgun industry with even paid shooters and media
4- there is a conception that the very best shooter is the one that can shoot at further distances (youtube videos/sniper films/video games, etc). It seems to be more attractive, even though if the chances of hitting are lower, just as in basketball
5- tactical looking guns are attractive for a good portion of the shooters
I see the same trend in short range benchrest in powder guns, there are almost only veteran shooting. most of the young people are more attracted to PRS/Ko2M style competitions where they put some values in a cellphone and try to see where does it land and feel like a sniper. With a $1500 equipment and factory ammo you can shoot at 1000yds and that seems a lot cooler than spending 7k in equipment and some more in load development to make a 0.1” group at 100 yds
there is also a matter of fashion, all competitions in their first years are more attractive, but then it fades away a little bit.
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I think the 100y competitions have actually been manufactures competitions. I’m sure it is and will continue to change but it is predominately Daystate v FX. Your stats suggest that more good shooters on a team shooting there product increase the chance of a win for them and in the past that’s what has happened.
The manufacturers have encouraged and promoted/sponsored individuals who have become popular with airlguners through you tube channels ect and there is an interest to follow them in the competition. They have helped to create personality’s They are shooting new and interesting guns. New models. Multi purpose guns that are attractive to buys.
There is lots of media and interest and in the end these manufacturers sell more airguns.
If a manufacturer competed with a single gun/competitor unless they had a genuine mechanical advantage it would be very difficult to do well with just the skill of the shooter. (Because of the random nature of the competition)
That beings said I think that’s exactly what Rusbear did last year
Michael
The manufacturers have encouraged and promoted/sponsored individuals who have become popular with airlguners through you tube channels ect and there is an interest to follow them in the competition. They have helped to create personality’s They are shooting new and interesting guns. New models. Multi purpose guns that are attractive to buys.
There is lots of media and interest and in the end these manufacturers sell more airguns.
If a manufacturer competed with a single gun/competitor unless they had a genuine mechanical advantage it would be very difficult to do well with just the skill of the shooter. (Because of the random nature of the competition)
That beings said I think that’s exactly what Rusbear did last year
Michael
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Agreed....To greatly increase the odds of a good performance by a certain brand.... it makes sense to be sure to have as many of that particular brand on the line as possible....through whatever means is necessary.
Mike
Mike
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So I know exactly what Mike is saying and I experienced shooters useing the discipline of shooting like 50-100 siters on a card at pyramyd air cup in 2019. My thought was wow these guys with these FX impacts really have a magazine advantage when it comes to this. So I've thought about this and in my opinion the only way to do these 100yd bench rest contest and make it so it's shooting ability and not rapid fire pot luck shoot is to limit the amount of sighters you are aloud. So how many of you would agree to shoot if you were only aloud a certain amount of siters? Let's just say 5 or 10 sighters. That way the marksmanship and shooting ability would truely come in to play correct?
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I’ve been advocating a reduction or limit in the amount of sighters for quite a while now. But let’s not confuse clamping your gun in a big heavy expensive rest, locking in the butt so it can’t move, and only touching the trigger of the gun with marksmanship. How about limiting the number of sighters AND allowing only a front bipod or bag, with the butt of the gun not being allowed to touch the bench? If we’re looking for actual shooting ability this would show that skill much better.
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Making the game single load only would take care of the sighters part....mostly.
The part about the rest is silly....since it’s dubbed a BR game. If it’s to be made into a marksmanship event to test the skills of the shooter beyond the wind reading part...then you should do away with the bench altogether.
But alas....if you take away the luck element and add in things that require more skill...the game will likely decline in popularity.
Mike....you should shoot off your rest for a while and see if your scores improve. I’m betting they won’t....especially if you make yourself shoot sighters way below your record bulls. Bipods are used in 100y BR because they are an advantage...not because the guys decided that they were going to take the high road and do something more difficult. If they made the cards like the 25 and 50 so they had sighters at the beginning and end of each row...things would be different.
Mike
The part about the rest is silly....since it’s dubbed a BR game. If it’s to be made into a marksmanship event to test the skills of the shooter beyond the wind reading part...then you should do away with the bench altogether.
But alas....if you take away the luck element and add in things that require more skill...the game will likely decline in popularity.
Mike....you should shoot off your rest for a while and see if your scores improve. I’m betting they won’t....especially if you make yourself shoot sighters way below your record bulls. Bipods are used in 100y BR because they are an advantage...not because the guys decided that they were going to take the high road and do something more difficult. If they made the cards like the 25 and 50 so they had sighters at the beginning and end of each row...things would be different.
Mike
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OK, I'll do that... But how about you shoot some scores at 100 yards with pellets with just a bipod and no rear rest, and see how your scores compare to being locked into a rest so that the only thing you touch on the gun is the trigger. We can compare notes... FYI, not all shooters use bipods at 100 yards. Some use two piece rests, some even use one piece rests. Not a large percentage, but more than just one or two.
I think its dubbed a "benchrest" game because the rifles are allowed to "rest" on a "bench". I don't think the solid heavy rest has anything to do with the definition...
I think its dubbed a "benchrest" game because the rifles are allowed to "rest" on a "bench". I don't think the solid heavy rest has anything to do with the definition...
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Must be you don’t have a NOTA rest yet CC?When you get one I bet you will throw your bipod away for “LONG” range and especially 25m to 50yd. matches
, also I’m sure you’ll invest in some flags as well? Remember who won EBR this year he used flags and used them very well, Didn’t need 60 sighters
! if I remember correctly loaded single shot as well!
, also I’m sure you’ll invest in some flags as well? Remember who won EBR this year he used flags and used them very well, Didn’t need 60 sighters! if I remember correctly loaded single shot as well!Upvote 0
I don’t personally know....but was told the Nota won’t cover the whole EBR target at 75y.
Mike
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Must be you don’t have a NOTA rest yet CC?When you get one I bet you will throw your bipod away for “LONG” range and especially 25m to 50yd. matches
Yes, I'm thinking about it. Both Bill @crusher and Ken @spaw have told me it covers the entire target and have used them at EBR type events. Nicolay did single load, shot .22 RD Monsters, used about 4 or 5 flags, and didn't shoot tons of sighters (he did shoot some, not sure how many). Rob Ransome who came in second place in Sportsman right behind me only shot 3 or 4 sighters for entire card. 60? Sixty? Ha, there were guys that shot over 100 sighters... I think I shot about 25 or 30. And I used a flag, but only one about 25 yards in front of me.
Mike N, I think you had a 100 yard gun for those 230-ish cards you posted, and used a mechanical rest, single loaded, shot by only touching the trigger, and used wind flags. Great shooting by the way!
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Yes...correct. My point is that I don’t own a 100y gun. Those were customer guns and they won’t be here if I was able to order a bipod to try on one. If I get home early enough tonight, I will shoot a few cards sitting on the ground from Field Target position.
Mike
Mike
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