What is the most impressive pcp?
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Leshiy is the one I often use. Really cool to take it in a bagpack and always ready to shoot ...
Leshiy is the one I often use. Really cool to take it in a bagpack and always ready to shoot ...
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I am confused now (for real) regarding accuracy.
I have read that airguns are sometime even more accurate than PB, but you say quite the opposite, are you talking of competitive shooting only?
If I understand correct you say that 1 inch group @ 100 meters is not acceptable for precision PBs right? (please do not get me wrong, those are real doubts of a total ignorant, me, on PB) I had to google it to get 1 MOA in accuracy means, you make me learn something new! thanks for that!
Here a picture on 1 moa in accuracy means, for those like me
https://thesurvivallife.com/what-does-moa-mean.html
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I am confused now (for real) regarding accuracy.
I have read that airguns are sometime even more accurate than PB, but you say quite the opposite, are you talking of competitive shooting only?
If I understand correct you say that 1 inch group @ 100 meters is not acceptable for precision PBs right? (please do not get me wrong, those are real doubts of a total ignorant, me, on PB) I had to google it to get 1 MOA in accuracy means, you make me learn something new! thanks for that!
Here a picture on 1 moa in accuracy means, for those like me
https://thesurvivallife.com/what-does-moa-mean.html
Yes, 1 MOA is approximately 1" (it's actually 1.047") at 100 yards. Around ~1" is commonly reported on here as "great groups".
If my powder burner isn't capable of less than 0.5" at 100 yards, then I'm not happy. I'm usually looking for 1/3 MOA or better.
For example, this is a 5-shot 100 yard group with one of my "PB" rifles. This is around 1/10 MOA (or "10 times more precise" than 1 MOA):
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Jeezzzuuusss, a lot of aeee..tom, thomis, thomas, Tomiknockers (read Steven King please) here, he ? It`s so hard. However, the idea with better pellets quality is correct.
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Agree that airguns have reliability problems....mostly associated with leaks. O rings and machining quality could be improved. PCPs have far more parts than PBs which contributes to poor reliability. Accuracy is only worse than PB for simple reason that velocity is lower than PCPs. wind affects projectile more. Indoors, PCP can be just as good as PBs. Sometimes PB guys forget that PCPs are way cheaper to shoot, are way quieter, and have far fewer legal issues to deal with.....the reasons I got rid of all my firearms and now shoot only PCPs.
Again, the Huben-K1 is by far the most impressive PCP to date. It is as good as any semi-auto, small bore firearm that I know of, considering the above noted 3 mentioned advantages over firearms, and it is the most impressive PCP considering it's long range accuracy with bullets, air consumption rate, and semi auto functionality. There may be better values, considering price and/or dependability, but not a more Impressive PCP..
Again, the Huben-K1 is by far the most impressive PCP to date. It is as good as any semi-auto, small bore firearm that I know of, considering the above noted 3 mentioned advantages over firearms, and it is the most impressive PCP considering it's long range accuracy with bullets, air consumption rate, and semi auto functionality. There may be better values, considering price and/or dependability, but not a more Impressive PCP..
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^ the best shooting rimfire PB's shoot subsonic ammo (like airguns) and have 1/2 MOA or slightly better accuracy at 100 yards. Compared to the best of airguns that get 1 MOA, that's a 100% improvement in precision. The velocity argument doesn't translate there, as the most accurate .22 rimfire PB ammo is traveling similar speeds as airgun pellets (900 fps or less generally).
Agreed on the legality issues. A suppressed .22 is pretty much just as quiet as a good suppressed airgun.
I just see lots of areas of potential improvement. If we don't ask for more from the manufacturers, we will never get it.
Agreed on the legality issues. A suppressed .22 is pretty much just as quiet as a good suppressed airgun.
I just see lots of areas of potential improvement. If we don't ask for more from the manufacturers, we will never get it.
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Most all match 22 ammo is 1060 FPS or a bit more.(Lapua, Eley, etc) They are also using a spin stabilized bullet with a BC about double a really good pellet. Current pellets don't seem to fly so good at 1060 FPS. They are currently working on slug barrels at FX that may improve things.
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I am confused now (for real) regarding accuracy.
I have read that airguns are sometime even more accurate than PB, but you say quite the opposite, are you talking of competitive shooting only?
If I understand correct you say that 1 inch group @ 100 meters is not acceptable for precision PBs right? (please do not get me wrong, those are real doubts of a total ignorant, me, on PB) I had to google it to get 1 MOA in accuracy means, you make me learn something new! thanks for that!
Here a picture on 1 moa in accuracy means, for those like me
https://thesurvivallife.com/what-does-moa-mean.html
Yes, 1 MOA is approximately 1" (it's actually 1.047") at 100 yards. Around ~1" is commonly reported on here as "great groups".
If my powder burner isn't capable of less than 0.5" at 100 yards, then I'm not happy. I'm usually looking for 1/3 MOA or better.
For example, this is a 5-shot 100 yard group with one of my "PB" rifles. This is around 1/10 MOA (or "10 times more precise" than 1 MOA):
Big thanks for the explanation! Great group. Will see if slugs change that any time soon with pcp
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KThomas, When I talk about the Huben, I am talking about bullets, not pellets. The BC on the factory Huben bullets is more than 3 times better than pellets. The accuracy in one of Gregor's reviews is sub MOA, out doors, off a bag. When I compare the gun to PBs, I'm talking about a Semi Auto, light weight hunting rifle, not a match rifle. Secondly, a suppressed 22 PB here in California and in many other states, will get you locked up in jail, but not suppressed air guns. If you try to shoot any PB around here, again, "do not pass go". finally, the ammo is cheap for the Huben compared to rim fire rounds, and you can always go cheaper yet; as it shoots some pellets fairly well. No contest, the Huben rules over .22 PBs. Maybe it will never shoot 1/2 MOA, but all the rest of the advantages, more than makes up for it. Regardless, this thread is about impressive PCPs not PBs.
I asked the guy with the above modified Huben (full-Auto) about the reg-refill time issue......no reply so far. probably not practical.
I asked the guy with the above modified Huben (full-Auto) about the reg-refill time issue......no reply so far. probably not practical.
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^ Hi @steeve is pretty interesting the Huben shooting Slugs (Bullets are 2 parts, slug + shell with powder, or I am wrong? I get your point tho). Probably the best PCP for slugs available right now (Or there is another one shooting slugs right, now?). For hunting probably is great! Donno if to wait for FX slugs Impact (I mean Fx Impact Hight Power with slug liner) or to get right now a Huben.
For me PCP @ this moment are pretty accurate, I have made 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups not at 100 yards, but 100 meters (around 110 yards, with perfect conditions tho, no wind with my impact x on 0.30)...but I think pellets right now are the problem (too much difference in size and diameter for accurate shooting), that is why I am looking the development of slug very close.
Totally agree with @kthomas if we want more, we need to ask for more ... the thing is that in the last 5 years we have had more than in the lasts 100 s before that, so the future is bright for PCPs (and probably regulations will suck too!)
For me PCP @ this moment are pretty accurate, I have made 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups not at 100 yards, but 100 meters (around 110 yards, with perfect conditions tho, no wind with my impact x on 0.30)...but I think pellets right now are the problem (too much difference in size and diameter for accurate shooting), that is why I am looking the development of slug very close.
Totally agree with @kthomas if we want more, we need to ask for more ... the thing is that in the last 5 years we have had more than in the lasts 100 s before that, so the future is bright for PCPs (and probably regulations will suck too!)
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Honestly, the gun that brings the biggest smile to your face when u shoot it! Regardless of price, style or what someone else tells you it is... IMO, case in point my (first & most enjoyable to shoot) “standard @ the time” RAW Tm-1000! Just told Martin what I liked... He took care of the rest!
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4. This is another semi/full automatic product designed by a Vietnamese person (about 7-8 years ago).
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is what's gonna screw up EVERYTHING.
Just keep on using the word "weapon" and it won't be long before the thing we love most about airguns will be gone forever.
Mark my words.
Been thinking the same since RAW was founded many years ago. “Weapon” is such an ugly word to describe a precision pneumatic instrument for propelling small lead projectiles toward a paper target. Hate the name, and I hate that every time I look at my RAW, right there laser engraved in the receiver is the word “weapons” (and a command to read the frickin’ owners manual?!) There’s nothing else I dislike about my RAW, let alone hate. Lol.
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For me I have to say my first and one and only pcp would be my most impressive pcp that I own. my humble little Prod. Why? It’s not a pumper, it doesn’t use co2 and it’s not a springer or gas ram. Unfortunately I don’t have experience with anything else let alone these high end guns you’re all talking about. Maybe someday...
I have to say the RAW name also confuses me. I’ve only gotten back into airguns in the last 3 years or so and when hearing that name for the first time I had the impression these were semi or fully automatic air guns before I actually saw one. And I don’t care for the “weapon” part of their name either. If I’d been asked my opinion I’d have suggested a different name for the company but Martin didn’t ask me and probably doesn’t really care what my opinion is either, so...
I have to say the RAW name also confuses me. I’ve only gotten back into airguns in the last 3 years or so and when hearing that name for the first time I had the impression these were semi or fully automatic air guns before I actually saw one. And I don’t care for the “weapon” part of their name either. If I’d been asked my opinion I’d have suggested a different name for the company but Martin didn’t ask me and probably doesn’t really care what my opinion is either, so...
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