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I have seen way too many gun stocks with that kind of design break right there. I think that design is asking a Lot of that point. The Red Wolves have that design, and are hollowed out to boot.
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Long box dropped on end (butt end) and gun moves in foam until stock bottomed out that 1/2" foam under the butt pad, bringing all the action weight to bear on the fragile wrist= break. Then the shipping company claims no responsibility as the gun "must have been shipped broken" because it was "properly packed" with "no visible damage" to the exterior. I use zip ties through the foam to keep the gun from moving fore and aft. FWIW it looks to be easily repairable.
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I don't understand why they don't the alter the grain 90* when making laminated stocks. If they did, this wouldn't happen.
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I find it very hard to believe that the stock could be broken while in the gun case with out showing some evidence to the gun case itself or the box it was shipped in. But possible . And I’m thinking the most likely force would not be a blow to the end of the case but would happen more likely from crushing of the gun case . One end on a step some one jumping or standing on the middle of the box in effect bending the case and breaking the stock at its weakest point .
Wouldn't have to be a step but a heavy weight with one end of the case higher then the other.
Fork lift runs over the box or they set some very heavy object on it.
Wouldn't have to be a step but a heavy weight with one end of the case higher then the other.
Fork lift runs over the box or they set some very heavy object on it.
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@bubblerboy64
I worked at UPS. Boxes are treated VERY harshly. You don’t need direct force (as in stepping on box) for this to occur. Enough kinetic energy will do it. That’s a pretty weak point on that stock, has to support a lot of weight. If moved hard and fast enough, and brought to a sudden stop, it’s all over.
I worked at UPS. Boxes are treated VERY harshly. You don’t need direct force (as in stepping on box) for this to occur. Enough kinetic energy will do it. That’s a pretty weak point on that stock, has to support a lot of weight. If moved hard and fast enough, and brought to a sudden stop, it’s all over.
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Excessive force across a lateral sheer line because of wood grain direction. Defective engineering and what appears to be a focus on cosmetics over functionality. Case set/dropped "hard" (in the position shown) which results in butt stock breakage. Weight distribution is focused forward and center above the trigger; the butt stock sheered due to uniform grain direction. The foam padding contributed to this because the scope, action, and barrel acted as a lever against the uniform grain weak point.
Really sorry to see this
Edit: Redacted the striked line, it could read as insulting and that was not my intention.
Really sorry to see this
Edit: Redacted the striked line, it could read as insulting and that was not my intention.
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Had one delivered broken there. Box was not damaged. Vendor replaced right away. You can only slice wood so many ways before you find a weak point.
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This is EXACTLY what happened to me on a Red Wolf Rosso. Sorry it has happened to you. Good luck.
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That hurts! Is this happening to the majority of laminate stocks compared to walnut stocks or is it really more of a weak point in the stock? I guess with enough force, something's gotta give.
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Bummer!! Sorry to see that!
Because of their recoil, the stocks on power burners are designed to handle heavy rearward forces, our PCPs don't recoil much and the stocks reflect that with the vertical "pistol grips" being relatively weak.
I like woodworking and have made quite a few slingshots, gun stocks and wood bows. Making a (functional) wood bows gives you a real education in working with the wood grain and I am constantly aware of it - even if it is just a piece of firewood LOL! I am really surprised that a laminated stock would fail like that. As cea1960 said, it looks like the grain orientation was not optimum and should of had the grain direction skewed relative to adjacent laminations like they do in regular plywood.
The stock on a FWB 300 has a reputation for breaking at the grip so the first thing I did when I got one was to reinforce that area with a couple of long screws and some epoxy. If you repair that break you may want to do that as well. Here is how I did it...
To reinforce a (potentially) weak grip I select two #8 or #10 screws of an appropriate length and working from inside the receiver area, using a spade bit, I drill holes deep and large enough to (easily) accept the head of the screw. Next I (carefully to avoid break-out) drill pilot holes a bit longer that the full length of the screw through the area to be reinforced. The pilot hole for the screw should quite large (to minimize stress and leave room for the epoxy) and should just engage the threads - the screws should be quite easy to install. At this point, it is a good idea to protect the working area from epoxy drips with "painters tape". Run the screws in and out to check all is good - they don't need to be cinched up tight, the epoxy takes care of the fit. Clean the screws (with alcohol) to remove any contamination (finger oils and such); then evenly apply the epoxy; insert screws and clean up any excess epoxy. When the epoxy sets around the screw it will make a solid "pin" with intimate contact with the wood. If needed, some epoxy mixed with sawdust (to the consistency of peanut butter) can be used to fill over the screw heads.
Optionally, a wood dowel or a metal rod could be used instead of a screw, I prefer a screw because I feel the threads make for a stronger wood/epoxy/metal interface. Hope this helps someone avoid a broken stock!
Cheers,
Hank
Because of their recoil, the stocks on power burners are designed to handle heavy rearward forces, our PCPs don't recoil much and the stocks reflect that with the vertical "pistol grips" being relatively weak.
I like woodworking and have made quite a few slingshots, gun stocks and wood bows. Making a (functional) wood bows gives you a real education in working with the wood grain and I am constantly aware of it - even if it is just a piece of firewood LOL! I am really surprised that a laminated stock would fail like that. As cea1960 said, it looks like the grain orientation was not optimum and should of had the grain direction skewed relative to adjacent laminations like they do in regular plywood.
The stock on a FWB 300 has a reputation for breaking at the grip so the first thing I did when I got one was to reinforce that area with a couple of long screws and some epoxy. If you repair that break you may want to do that as well. Here is how I did it...
To reinforce a (potentially) weak grip I select two #8 or #10 screws of an appropriate length and working from inside the receiver area, using a spade bit, I drill holes deep and large enough to (easily) accept the head of the screw. Next I (carefully to avoid break-out) drill pilot holes a bit longer that the full length of the screw through the area to be reinforced. The pilot hole for the screw should quite large (to minimize stress and leave room for the epoxy) and should just engage the threads - the screws should be quite easy to install. At this point, it is a good idea to protect the working area from epoxy drips with "painters tape". Run the screws in and out to check all is good - they don't need to be cinched up tight, the epoxy takes care of the fit. Clean the screws (with alcohol) to remove any contamination (finger oils and such); then evenly apply the epoxy; insert screws and clean up any excess epoxy. When the epoxy sets around the screw it will make a solid "pin" with intimate contact with the wood. If needed, some epoxy mixed with sawdust (to the consistency of peanut butter) can be used to fill over the screw heads.
Optionally, a wood dowel or a metal rod could be used instead of a screw, I prefer a screw because I feel the threads make for a stronger wood/epoxy/metal interface. Hope this helps someone avoid a broken stock!
Cheers,
Hank
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So sorry! That makes me sick to my stomach...to be over joyed to receive it then to open the box to see that! I know that it will be replaced but still the anticipation and waiting game all over again! Holiday cheers to you and hope it’s replacement arrives safely and quickly!
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