What does “hole in hole” mean to you?

We’re going to make a distinction between “ hole in hole” and hole ON hole” Really ?
How about we all get calibers and measure center to center and not name them other then groups at stated distances. Other wise it’s going to get difficult. 
I think centercuts point was to question the claims made rather then the names used. 

Then there is the terminology "precision" vs "accurate". My gun shoots hole in hole all day long but never to the same POA as yesterday. LOL. 

Yeah, stick with CTC measurements and we can all agree.

Another point is a group is a group 9 shots touching and one two inches out at 100 yards IS NOT a sub MOA group. It wouldn’t be scored as one in competition. A called flier doesn’t count either. It’s what’s on the paper. I’ve never shot competitive bench rest but I’ve watched some fellows practice and I’ve attended a match or two just to watch. I know my guns and my skills. I think I’m an average shot among a bunch of way better then average shooters. On a good day I can pretty consistently hit an apple sized target at 300 yards with my bolt 223. Which means groundhogs are in trouble at distances inside 250 yards. I’ve hit a few out further and with a spotter and a groundhog that gives you a second try or two I’m going to get at least pretty close out to 500. I know guys are claiming to hit most of them at much further distances but I’m skeptical. Twenty years ago I went prairie dog hunting with a guy that I would consider the best shot I’ve been associated with. He was GOOD but he shot nothing but Remington 40 x rifles and bought and traded them keeping only the best. He shot groups in the morning and reloaded in the afternoons. That’s about all he did. He was self taught and he could do three things that I’ve been challenged with . He could work up great loads, he could read conditions and most importantly he could spot his shots thru the scope. He had money and the time and desire to learn to do it. Most of us are short on some of the requirements. His negative was he was a competitive pick and wouldn’t help another person advance. He died about 15 years ago with few if any friends. He shot some great groups though

point being is we can all improve if we work at it. It’s nice to have a form that shares information 

This is real world for me, and it is pretty much this way many times at my outdoor range.

12 Five shot groups with some wind, and this was the best I could do for "this day." 

No 'hole in hole, not one ragged hole, not even a big hole, no all day long...etc' Some good, some bad and two DQ's (ugly).

But, I have fun, and like all the help from my forum members and always try and apply tips, techniques, etc.

The hole in hole is gibberish! CTC and/or nickel, dime or quarter measurements mean a whole lot more to me!

For me it would mean all rounds into the same diameter hole as the first shot. But what would the shooting world be like without superlatives? No fun. Laser, tack driver, stacking pellets, hole in hole, etc. I’ve always assumed the shooter is waxing eloquent. Unless they provide hard numbers and visuals to back it up. We all have shot awesome groups (another superlative). Doing so consistently, over multiple targets, on the same card? 

@centercut, heartbreaker indeed.

110 yards with a .22 caliber and sub MOA is pretty darn nice! That “5th” pellet is like a Mike Tyson left hook. I.e., Comes out of nowhere but you can also count on it! 

Nice target Mike!

For me I love it when you see the paper torn up so bad you could push a quarter through it without touching the sides like the old game Operation, then all the paper pushed back in to make up a little hole. 

Centercut, here's your sign, Whoops, thats Bill Engvall's line

Here's your dime ;~Þ lol 

I’ve got a 30 cal RAW it’s my most consistent shooter. I just like the gun. Yes it’s heavy and cracks a little. Easy to load without a mag ( mags drive me nuts). I’d be happy with those shots at 110 for sure.

My gun at 50 is going to hit under a dime . At 75 probably a quarter. 100 it depends. I’ve shot a bunch that touch with one or two out of the group an inch or more. I rarely can tell myself what happened. I’ve not sorted pellets or waited for the perfect day.
I consider myself just damned lucky I have a place to shoot and something to do while holed up at home 

maybe that’s what hole in hole means. An “A” hole that can’t leave the house. That’s me. Although I have a real nice gun range 5 miles away which has remained open. Members have card keys and I’ve gone over to shoot my powder burners and there has been either no others there or at most one or two others. I’m really lucky. So even if I blow a sensational group I can’t be pissed. Just so much better off then most.
And I’ve been able to get in a little ground hog hunting. I think I have 5 for the year. No super long shots but that’s so damned much fun. I love just “watchin” for them. I almost hate to shoot them but the farmer needs them gone. I’m also able to do some pest birds and that’s almost as much fun. Can’t shoot like Bob O’Conner but out to about 75 I do OK 

yes! I like the coin reference,makes cents to me; much easier for me to compare and comprehend,wished it was a standard way of talking accuracy .

I will use in every time from now on....along with the true distance shot....like this ain't fishing....

I know I've shown this pic numerous times on the forum but this is my closest definition of 5 shots in one hole at 50yds. As reference the orange dot is 3/4". 

It will be interesting to see any future posts that have some of these “famous quotes or claims” describing various shooting sessions. My next tight group is going to be characterized as “one giant manhole,” just so I’m on the safe side.

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lmao

To me, it means one hole not much, if at all, bigger than the projectile. I've heard people say "one hole group", and it's one big shaggy hole two or three times larger than the projectile, which is stretching the saying. 



Three shots from my .25 Marauder@25 yards in one hole. This was the Benji dome setting, but I was switching to Kings. Adjusted the crosshairs and put one right through the bull. A lot of potential in that gun.

Amen Kdog! 

That is also my definition of one pellet hole or as close as possible! Fan .......friggin.....tastic!! Never did this and I am in awe!

If you or anyone else on this thread come to NC, call me and we’ll shoot together at my local range. We can have a great time and make up stories about “hole in hole” groups. 

Seriously, nice shooting!