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What do you consider long distance with .22cal airgun?

Forums ELR 101y+ What do you consider long distance with .22cal airgun?

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    JimNM
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    Todd, when I am shooting long-ish ranges with my .22 bull pup, I prefer the heavier Domed pellets.  Seneca 28.5g at ~820 fps.  I am around 42 for at the barrel.  I don't shoot target over 50 meters, it's all fur or feathers past that range, so minute of pest is more my metric than minute of angle.

    That gun has not shown much love for slugs.  Most of that gun's use is pest control in semi-rural area.  Therefore I drop down to the 15g Hades and drop power to 22 fpe.  That is solid to 70 yards given decent wind conditions.  I had the crown re-done and have been considering shooting more paper due to the consistency improvement noted.

    I hope that was more helpful than my flip answer previously.

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    ToddGeddes63

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    I thought the question I asked in the post was pretty straight forward.  As to your question why .22cal specifically? well, first off, because that's what I'm shooting, second, I wanted information specific to that caliber. third, to see what others that shoot .22 cal consider long range, and forth I wanted to know! I was hoping to gain some input from others in the ammo choices and shooting technique, by their responses, and asking questions you know this is a forum right?  Damn dude if you would have read the title I'm not interested in what other calibers consider long range JUST .22!! SO the caliber has everything do with my  question. This kind of flippant half assed responses, to a simple question, reminds me why I don't post much anymore. Thanks to those that did.

    TODD

    Thank you, I've cut and pasted the  second paragraph of my post which directly answered your question.  Perhaps you didn't read that?

    – I'd say  "long range" for hunting is over 75 yards with a pellet and over 100 yards with a high(er) BC slug.  I only say this because of shooting EBR where its reasonable to shoot a good card at 75 yards (over 240), but move that target back 25 yards and its darn near impossible to even shoot 230…

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    ToddGeddes63
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    JimNM I don't have a chronograph, for conformation, but your results w/15g are close to my shooting results w/15.89 jsb  I haven't hunted with a pcp aigun before, but this year I would like to try rabbit and gopher. Given my limited skillset and the power level of the.22 cayden, and using your minute of pest idea, I'm thnikin that my max distance will be 50-60 yards, using 21.2g slugs. does that seem correct? 

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    ToddGeddes63
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    Mike

    I'm not looking for attitude, or to get into pissing match with you. I'm looking for your information, knowledge, and experience. Thank you for providing it. 

    TODD

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    qball
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    IMHO, for 22 pellets 100 is long range especially if there is any wind at all. high BC .22 slugs can get out to 300 yards even. 
     

    also everyone’s acceptable groups size is different but anything under MOA at longer ranges is excellent in my opinion. Most of powder burner folks at the range have hard  time at consistently shoot under MOA 100 yards.

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    JimNM
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    Todd – your thoughts seem to be in the right ballpark.  There are way too many variables for me to give you a solid YES or NO.  Results in our sport are rarely binary and almost no one has the same idea of what terms like Long(er) distance means.  My pest work is done in drainage ditches and around a pecan farm.  I prefer to shoot from 20-40 yards, as that is where I have the largest distance covered by the same hold for the cross hairs.  The targets don't always play along, though and very close range is even harder for me than very long range.

    A related strategy is to zero your scope at slug/pellet trajectory apex.  One benefit is then you never have to figure Hold Under, all adjustments will be done with Hold (cross hairs) Over the target to allow for gravity.  From your current scope setting, shoot from 15 to 50 yards in five yard increments. Hold the same aim point for each distance.  You will find your apex point at the highest impact marked on the target.  I suggest you make that distance your ZERO distance.  For my mid powered guns, that is usually around 30-35 yards.  That makes my POINT BLANK ZERO from 20-40 yards, where the point of impact is very close to the point of aim (within 1-2 pellet diameters) – I know that anywhere in that range, I can put the crosshair on where I want to strike and I don't have to worry about Hold Over or clicking the scope to match the distance.  Continue the every 5 yard target excercise to develop your range card or "dope" for the distances you expect to shoot.

     My other suggestion is to spend the 100.00 and get a range finder.  Use the range finder every time.  It may make you miss a shot sometimes for being another thing to mess with before you drop the hammer, but the number of times you mis-judge the distance will go to zero – which makes your shots much more effective and accurate.    

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    ToddGeddes63
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    JimNM 

    I have my range card figured out by the weight of the pellets that I plan to use. and did it the same as your suggestion, good information by the way, I would agree about the variables, the biggest being me. I have a range finder another great suggestion. Thank you for providing some real good information, very helpful.

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    JimNM
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    Great to hear that we are on the same wavelength 🙂  To answer the long(er) distance with .22 – that is for me when I run out of dope information and have to start figuring the hold overs on the back of a napkin.  If I have the dope, I will usually take the shot.

    My different guns have different dope info.  The P-rod has taken squirrels over 70 yards (I needed more than one shot to find the trajectory!)  I am comfortable with the dope and hold overs to 50-ish yards with the P-rod given good wind condition. (14 fpe)

    The Bullpup has dope card on the stock and scope stickers both to 75 yards, with major distances (90Y and 100Y) noted as an add on.  I will take the shot to 75 yards most of the time given good wind – when I am using the 28.5g domes.  (42 fpe)

    The Bullpup with the Hades shoots almost well enough to target shoot to 50m – but the lighter weight and lesser BC of the Hades has me pull out of the shot more often than the heavier diabolos.  The POI for both the heavy and the Hades are very similar within the point blank range – needing only a few clicks of windage to align POI and POA between them.  Granted, at longer distances the Hades trajectory decays noticeably greater as the distance (and therefore time in flight) increases.  (22 fpe)

    You know the old superhero saying about "with great power comes greater responsibility"  I am finding more joy in slightly less FPE and majorly less risk of ricochet and pass through.  I think I am getting old.

    Shoot'em good amigo! and tell us about your findings and successes

     

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    tnx206
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    Damn good info guys. Thanks. 

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    newbee123
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    If you watch the new upnorth airgunner video on the m3 800 mm barrel.His 85 yard group was almost 2 inches . So i would stick with what you got. Watch his video it was very informative.

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    ToddGeddes63
     

    great shooting Todd

    I am still trying to get a good group I shot a group the other at a 100 yards  with my 30 caliber first two shot where flyers and then the next 5 where great, I just put air in it before this group question is,do you shot a couple shot and then  shot your group 

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