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    weatherby
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    “MANICMINER”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

    half way through, hexagonal polygonal.

    True, but that’s not what the HW’s rifling looks like ::) The rifling of my LW blanks looks like that.
    I have some samples laying around, I’ll see if I can make some pictures later.
    The HW100 rifling is conventional, with rounded lands. I have to admit, it might look a bit like polygonal rifling, but it really isn’t :)

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    scrane
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    In the recent past Weihrauch supplied both standard and polygon in .22 for the HW100.

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    mubhaur
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    Since I have examined at least 4 HW100 all fac.   I have HW100S  FSB  .22  30 ftlb right now.

    I tell you about all of these four.

    My FSB .22 fac model is very accurate.  It is as accurate with JSB 18 grains as my FX Royale 400 .22 regulated.  It gives me more than 30 shots per fill.

    I also had a non FSB model.  It had 6 grooved barrel.  It was .22 fac as well.  It was extremely quiet and 1/2″ at 50 yards with JSB 18 grain any day.   But Baracuda Match 21 grain was its favorite pellet and it gave 1/2″ group with Baracuda Match even at 70 yards while with JSB I could not do it.

    An other regular barreled i.e 6 grooved barrel was not that accurate and we had to source a LW barrel blank to get good accuracy.

    The last one is  .177 fac.  I have to work on it.  Its an old version and due to inconsistent regulator it is not performing.

    The built quality of HW100 is second to none. It has best trigger, best cocking, best magazine, best workmanship.   Yes with 6 grooved barrel sometimes there are some issues but not always.

    If you can get an accuracy tested 6 grooved barrel hw100 it will be great otherwise it may be a hit or miss.  Then you will need a replacement barrel.. 

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    weatherby
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    “scrane”In the recent past Weihrauch supplied both standard and polygon in .22 for the HW100.

    
That would be news to me. Where did you get that info if I may ask? :)
    I have never heard of any HW100 which was standard equipped with a poly barrel. Would be very inconvenient as well for the manufacturer to use 2 different types of barrels.
    I know that a lot of HW100’s in The Netherlands are equipped with aftermarket LW poly barrels, but again, I would be very surprised if HW has indeed ever made HW100’s with polygonal barrels.
    I’ve seen a lot of HW100 .22 barrels over time and none of them were poly barrels.

    Kind regards,

    Gijs

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    I have a .22 HW100 and am very pleased with its accuracy. No issues for me. I regularly shoot 60 yards, but occasionally go out to 95 yards. I got mine used. In fact it’s Paul Capello’s HW100 from Airgun Reporter. It’s the very same rifle in the review…

    Accuracy is comparable to my .25 RAW HM1000x, which says a lot I think. My friend and I target practice at 50 yards with a metal quadrant target with 1/2″ center spinner. Quite easy to drill the spinner every time. He uses his FX Verminator while I use the HW100.  The accuracy is there.  Shot count not so much.
     

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    Marmalde I have tried two different HW100’s both 177 and both had the air tubes extended(google HW100 air tube extension). They were very accurate with JSB 10.3 shooting 18 fpe. After shooting each I came away saying that trigger is awesome. I like the magazine/indexing system better the Mrod type. No fiddling with pellets so loading is much faster. The only negative I had was they felt heavy compared to some other rifles I tried. If your buying an HW100 Krale sporting has the best prices.

    If I were recommending a 22 rifle it would be the FX Royal or Cricket rifle. Both get about 50 shots on a 3200 psi fill.
    Both are 32 – 34 fpe guns compared to the HW’s 28 -30 fpe.
    Triggers – FX is awesome. Cricket is very good.
    Both are lighter and better balanced for offhand shooting.

    4 – 5 fpe more will make a difference after 50 yards especially in windy conditions. Shot count is higher with both so you will be filling less often.

    Recent you-tube FX review:
    Cant find many you-tube Cricket rifle reviews: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/so-the-kalibrgun-cricket-rifle-is-a-thing/
     

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    Marmalade
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    I just came of the phone with half a dozen gunsmiths and the government officials. Here’s the deal. If the barrel won’t be up to scruff I’ll have to go through a licensed gunsmith. ALL the gunsmiths charge 400€ or more just for a blank LW barrel and almost as much for machining. So in the worst case scenario my relatively inexpensive PCP just broke the 2K mark. Now this is a risk I’m not willing to take. An Impact costs 1900€ here. 
    I’m going to look at alternatives in the same price range or close to it.
    Thanks for the suggestion on the Royale and the Cricket Sam63 but they just don’t tickle my fancy. 

    What do you guys think of the R3 Matador in .22?
     

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    mubhaur
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    Marmalade,

    In your case I shall highly recommend you FX royale 400 .22 REGULATED.

    I have this gun. It gives me 100 shots from 250 bars to 150 bars with 18 grain JSB at around 850 fps.

    I can increase power without compromising on accuracy up to 930 fps. But I shall get fewer shots in that case. May be around 60 to 70 shots.

    Impact has a lot of issues. Royale is a very much time tested platform. There is very difficult to go wrong if you get REGULATED Royale 400 .22.

    Trigger is good but not as good as HW100.

    Since you can’t source a replacement barrel, I would highly advise you Royale 400 .22 REGULATED.

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    Dairyboy
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    If your looking into other guns I would take a serious look at a BSA R10 SE or MK2. Depending on where your from you might actually be able to get an SE version which is the newest but here in the US we aren’t getting them in the forseeable future sadly. Very accurate beautiful guns. Have a regulator as well which normally gives about 50 shots on a fill

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    “scrane”

     

    
Weatherby:
    Check this out. Let me know what you think.
    http://weihrauchowners.freeforums.org/which-models-have-polygon-barrels-t21777.html?hilit=polygon%20barrels

    A lot of assumptions there :) One guy thinks it’s a polygon barrel, and some others are jumping on the bandwagon and also think and agree that this must be a polygon barrel.
    With all due respect, it is not :)
    On the photo, the lands are clearly visible. Like I said before, the lands are rounded, which is pretty unique for a barrel, as most of them tend to have sharp lands.

    A conventional barrel is more or less a cylindrical bore with protruding lands. (actually it is just the other way around, but you get the point ;) )
    A polygonal barrel consists of 6 or more “flat edges with a twist” which go all the way through the barrel, hence the name “polygonal” (not a cylindrical bore)
    As the lands in the HW barrel are clearly visible, it is absolutely not a polygonal barrel.

    I just made some pictures, I hope they are clear enough, and that they will speak for their selves.
    Example shows a piece of SPA M10 barrel, a piece of LW .22 poly barrel, and a HW100 barrel.

    SPA M10 .22 barrel:

    LW .22 polygonal barrel:

    Poly, SPA and HW100 barrel side by side:

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    Marmalade
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    I’m going have take a good look at some possible alternatives before I make any decisions.

    Thanks to everyone that took their time to give their advice. I really appreciate it.

    Matt  

     

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    Str8tshooter
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    What would ones options be for a more accurate .22 barrel in the States? 

    Thanks

    Eric

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    ahobie17
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    I had a nice shooting Hw100 in 22 cal, only issue was it shot JSB domed pellets the best and accuracy suffered with other head designs. I just don’t believe the hype about the barrel issues. Nice gun, great trigger and never an issue with mine. Easy mag to load.  I later sold it for a bull pup with a synthetic stock as this fit my shooting requirements better. 

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    “ahobie17”I had a nice shooting Hw100 in 22 cal, only issue was it shot JSB domed pellets the best and accuracy suffered with other head designs. I just don’t believe the hype about the barrel issues. Nice gun, great trigger and never an issue with mine. Easy mag to load.  I later sold it for a bull pup with a synthetic stock as this fit my shooting requirements better. 

    
I guess it’s all about standards. When a gun can’t shoot ragged holes at 50m, I’m not satisfied. A accurate high end gun should be able to shoot 5 shot groups of less than 1/2″ at 50m.
    Could be that some people are more than satisfied with 30mm groups at 50m, but for me, that’s just unacceptable..
    I’ve rebarreled over 10 HW100’s (including 4 of them which were my own guns), and the guys shooting them were not happy with the inconsistency (read: fliers). On a good day, the accuracy could be tops, and suddenly, it started shooting patterns instead of groups. After cleaning, some guns needed a lot of pellets to lead in again, and after a couple of 100 pellets, the whole story started over again. You can’t put your finger on it.
    I’m definitely not a believer in hypes, but I have yet to see a .22 HW100 (600mm barrel with LDC) which puts pellet on pellet at 50m straight out of the box.

    I’m curious towards the FSB barrels, as apparently they have 12 lands instead of 6. Looks like a totally different barrel to me :)
    The .177 is crazy accurate, someone looking for an almost perfect .177 gun can go buy one without hesitation.

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    scrane
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    The HW100 is a terrific gun! … in .177. In .22 it’s a real crap shoot. If you can see your way clear to .177 I think you’ll be very pleased. If you really need .22 the BSA R10 Mk2 has a pretty good reputation. For a no risk solution get a RAW HM1000. Have fun.

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    Str8tshooter
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    I have a HW100 1.77 that shoots well:
    http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118163.msg1137498#msg1137498

    I have a HW100 .22 that shoots occasional flyers:
    http://atnowners.com/thread/736/hw100tk-hdmi-monitor

    Is there any options for getting a more accurate .22 barrel in the States? 

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    mubhaur
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    In states you can get a very good stainless steel cut rifled barrel from Martin who makes RAW. LW can also be very good.

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    Str8tshooter
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    Thanks mubhaur

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    ahobie17
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    I never had a problem with my HW100 it was a good shooter at anyone’s standards. High quality gun…That’s what I’m going by.

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