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Weighing Hades Pellets

Forums Pellets, Projectiles, Slugs, & Ammo Weighing Hades Pellets

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    CHUCK
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    I recently purchased 16 cans of the JSB Hades .30 cal. pellets – I cleaned them all and then weighed them and sorted them into groups of pellets that weighed within a tenth of a grain of each other. As you can see in the photo below they are unbelievably consistent in weight… :(

     

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    Pistonjohn
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    Well on the good side maybe to make you feel better, they are only hunting pellets so expectations on them ain't that high to begin with. 

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    coyotegod
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    I have definitely learned the value of weighing, cleaning and lubing Pellets, especially slugs which I find to be even more at times inconsistent. I think some of the worst inconsistency is from the hybrids, even though I enjoy shooting these slugs the most. In one box I’ll typically have five different groups.

    Of course I get better accuracy by doing the work prior to shooting. But often I’ll just grab a projectile from the tin and shoot. Doing that I find myself hitting the target and enjoying the shooting more. I do think with technology today these companies can make pellets and slug projectiles way more consistent. It’s kind of like the old days where if you wanted a really good powder burner round you had to reload yourself. Now the stuff off the shelf is really great and it’s because of the much better tolerances in the machining when they’re making the ammo. It should be no different with pellets and slugs. Hopefully someday the change will come and out little lead projectiles will be more consistent. Thank you for sharing chuck!

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    harrymoreland
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    I would like to hear the drop,  at say 50y, between the heaviest 44.5 and lightest 45.8 in the groups with a few pellets,

    And you gun stats of course.

    I can't think it would be great.

    Thanks for showing.

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    survivor45
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    I sort my Hades .22 cal pellets and get similar results (I don’t wash mine ). When it’s time to shoot I just start with the lightest pellets first. Then work my way through up to the heavies. 
    Seems to work for me. 

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    bandg
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    CHUCK

    I recently purchased 16 cans of the JSB Hades .30 cal. pellets – I cleaned them all and then weighed them and sorted them into groups of pellets that weighed within a tenth of a grain of each other. As you can see in the photo below they are unbelievably consistent in weight… :(

     

    Nice work.  As someone mentioned above, a group with those say 44.3 and lighter compared to a group with those 45.9 and heavier might be informative.  Would POI be different or group size different?  Alternatively, maybe mix the heaviest and lightest only and compare to those in the middle.

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    CHUCK
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    The whole point of weighing pellets is so I can load my magazine with 23 that are all the same weight within a tenth of a grain of each other. This consistency produces much tighter concentric groups with no flyers. Someday someone will start making pellets with weights that are as consistent as NSA or Altaros Slugs and we will all stop buying these inferior brands of pellets…at that point these manufacturers will either match that new quality & consistency or be forced to go out of business when no one is buying the crap they are selling.

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    K9Air
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    Imagine going to the gas station, $3.659 per gallon. Pumping in 10 gallons in your 2, 5 gal Jerry cans.. Only to learn you pumped 8 gals of fuel… Hmm? That's not right!?

    However, the masses simply pull in and "fill'er up", pay the amount on the pump and drive off. 

    How long would you stand for it? 

    As advertised, (example) 44.75 for 30 cal. You get home break out the scales only to learn, roughly 35% of your slugs are "close enough" to the advertised weight. The rest are in a weight class of their own. 

    They have the ability to swage projectiles to damn near perfect weight if they really want too. 

    Eventually when folks start calling out fraud, manufactures will have to perform they way they advertise. Precision is what many of us want and pay for. What we get, 8 gallons of gas when we were suppose to get 10. It's b.s….

    I shoot for precision accuracy. Not general MOA. If I've paid for pellets and slugs advertised as giving such, I expect it. 

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    bandg
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    CHUCK

    The whole point of weighing pellets is so I can load my magazine with 23 that are all the same weight within a tenth of a grain of each other. This consistency produces much tighter concentric groups with no flyers. Someday someone will start making pellets with weights that are as consistent as NSA or Altaros Slugs and we will all stop buying these inferior brands of pellets…at that point these manufacturers will either match that new quality & consistency or be forced to go out of business when no one is buying the crap they are selling.

    Understood.  And the whole point of what I stated is to VERIFY that what you are doing is working.  Might be a chance to illustrate to those who say you're wasting your time that you actually aren't.

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    CHUCK
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    bandg, I verified that weighing pellets and sorting them by weight works great many years ago when I started weighing the JSB 33.95 grain pellets. (MKI & MKII) If you want much tighter groups and/or you want to eliminate those pesky fliers you get all the time then this is one easy way of accomplishing that. I will show you a photo from many years ago of one of the times I was weighing the JSB 33.95 grain pellets, where out of 20 cans I might have got 250 pellets that actually weighed 33.95! 

    Can you just imagine buying a box of Sierra Match King bullets that have such a horrible disparity in weight from one to another? (or Hornady, Berger, or Nosler, etc.?) I can promise you everyone would be buying bullets from someone else if that were the case.

    Pellets are swaged using a similar process used to make bullets for commercial bullets for factory ammo or for reloading, so it is entirely possible to make them to the same consistency as real bullets if a company wanted to. As a matter of fact, Altaros is now making airgun slugs with CNC machines for the express purpose of achieving uniformity in the weights of the slugs they make!  Here is a link to their website and a quote from Altaros on the subject…

    https://www.militaryairgun.com/domu/145-atp-552mm-217-suitable-for-fx.html

    "A new type of patented airgun turned lead bullets for the 21st century suitable for FX ATP – Altaros Turned Projectiles.

    ATP bullets are manufactured by using the unique lead turning technology on a precision CNC machine that Altaros has developed first in the world. This way produced bullets have very precise dimensions resulting in almost zero weight difference with excellent axial symmetry. That can't be achieved by any other method currently used. ATP bullets achieve a high ballistic coefficient of BC 0.15, which is the highest on the market.

    These key features predetermine ATP to achieve maximum accuracy and stability when shooting at tens or hundreds of meters."

    Pellet manufacturers can make pellets to a much higher standard if they want to, and once other companies start doing so they will be left with improving the quality of their products or get left way behind. 

     

     

     

     

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    bandg
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    I don't disagree with your conclusion that weighing will improve consistency.  But MANY do.  And it seemed that you had a "ready to go" test to show current results.  Up to you.

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    CHUCK
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    Well bandg when exactly were you appointed to be the spokesman for those "MANY" you refer to and who are they exactly? I'll tell you what buddy, you and your "MANY" pals can weigh your pellets for more consistency or not as you please and prove or disprove its benefits as you see fit, but I am not here to prove anything to you or anyone else. If you have anything further to say to me on the subject please do so by Personal Message as I prefer not to engage in a pissing match with you here on the open forum.

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    bandg
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    Sensitive much?  Try reading the first sentence.  And if you've read the forum much at all you know that the "many" are there.  I simply noted that you seemed to have a good setup to verify your process.  Do as you please, so will I.

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