We can send a man to the moon. WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A SCOPE MAGNUM SPRINGER PROOF !

I did not read thru all of these pages, so if a Vortex Diamondback was mentioned, I apologize. The VDB scope is Airgun rated. I heard that it was, and called vortex to make sure, and yes they are rated for that front/back recoil. Plus, vortex has probably one of, if not the best warranty on their scopes. No questions asked. If you drove over it on accident, they’ll replace it.
 
The atmosphere is comprised of gasses, gasses can be compressed. The compressed gasses are what moves the pellet but it is also what keeps the piston from slamming the end of the compression chamber. Piston races forward compressing air, as it compresses it slows down and the pressure goes up, pellet begins to move. Pellet moves allowing piston to continue to move until it reaches the end of the chamber. In magnum rifles the piston can actually rebound off of the compressed air charge. This rebounding and the compression chamber pressure should keep the piston from impacting the end of the chamber. If the piston in an air rifle impacts the end of the chamber something isn't right and needs to be corrected.

What wrecks scopes is the violence of the opposite and equal reactions of the rifle components the scope is attached to overcoming the strength of the scope's internal components. The more energy released during the firing cycle the harder it is on the optics. I don't buy claims that hi powered magnum springers are smoother or have a more gentle cycle than others such as SIG has claimed. The energy is there, the more power an air rifle has the more energy it has to be dealt with. If all that energy could be transferred to the pellet the world would be perfect but in reality a large portion of that energy is absorbed by the friction inside the rifle and the mass of the rifle itself. We are using a small portion of the stored energy released upon firing to move our pellet, the rest is lost to heat in friction and recoil moving the rifle during the firing cycle. 

Any rifle tuner or maker who can use just a little more of the available energy to move the pellet vs it being wasted is the hero in the air rifle game. We can try feebly to cancel out friction with lubes and smoothing/polishing the best we can and we can use mechanical means to negate or cancel out the recoil energy we feel but that energy is not lost, it is simply used some place else. The more complex the method of negating recoil for the sake of accuracy and scopes the more expensive the rifle. In the case of a magnum springer the job of getting the energy into the pellet and not into scope wrecking recoil isn't easy, there are physics that need to be dealt with. IMHO the answer isn't mushy mounts or exotic sealed gasses but something more mechanical, something that uses the released energy against itself to render movement of the barreled action to zero. Think FWB300. Or possibly a second piston that moves in the opposite direction to counter the compression piston. But here we go adding complexity and weight, two things that typically add money to an air rifle.

In lieu of building an air rifle that would cost $10k and weigh 19lbs without optics we can use optics that are built tough enough to withstand the abuse. It can be done and I believe it has, one just won't find the reliability in a $200 optic. Magnum power spring guns and cheap optics no longer go together and the day of a 25lb+ ME gun and optic for under $1k are likely gone if such a day ever existed to start with. 

Firearms guys have for decades spent as much or more on their optics than they have their rifles when reliability and longevity are paramount. These air rifles are now to the point of being the same. Want a scope that will last on your magnum rifle? Talk to the best companies in the business and break out your credit card.

The thread title needs a correction, it should read " WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A CHEAP SCOPE MAGNUM SPRINGER PROOF !"


Lots of words to dissect. Even scopes that run many hundreds of dollars are still getting munched by springers from time to time. This notion that high power springers are gentler on scopes is a myth. Everyone who has ever owned low and higher power springers knows high power spring guns are harsher to shoot. Bottom line is this, I hear about people with high power springers who have no problems with scopes on the lower cost scale. And quite the opposite is true. I hear about high priced scopes getting trashed on magnum springers. Is it a matter of quality assurance with these scope manufacturers? Could be ! How many high priced goods with big name recognition still have the words MADE IN CHINA on the label ? So based on this the title of my thread remains. Both cheap and expensive scopes are dying on Magnum springers.
 
I did not read thru all of these pages, so if a Vortex Diamondback was mentioned, I apologize. The VDB scope is Airgun rated. I heard that it was, and called vortex to make sure, and yes they are rated for that front/back recoil. Plus, vortex has probably one of, if not the best warranty on their scopes. No questions asked. If you drove over it on accident, they’ll replace it.

I looked at their website and can't find any scope in the Diamondback series that is AIRGUN rated ! There is this one but its still for firearms.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-diamondback-4-12x40-ao-riflescope-v-plex-reticle
 
I looked at several grades of Vortex models. None state airgun rated. They all state shockproof. And the words in their warranty back it up. Read the VIP warranty, you have nothing to lose trying the one that suits your needs. Come on, we need someone to step up and tell us whether or not your SIG can be scoped with a Vortex and survive. You can always sell the NIB replacement here.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/vip_warranty

http://www.vortexoptics.com/
 
I looked at several grades of Vortex models. None state airgun rated. They all state shockproof. And the words in their warranty back it up. Read the VIP warranty, you have nothing to lose trying the one that suits your needs. Come on, we need someone to step up and tell us whether or not your SIG can be scoped with a Vortex and survive. You can always sell the NIB replacement here.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/vip_warranty

http://www.vortexoptics.com/

That was my conclusion also regarding Vortex scopes. None specifically designed for two way snap of spring piston airguns. No ! I will pass on the Vortex. I spent $20 returning my Hawke Airmax. If they send me a new replacement I may sell it here on AN. Depends on how long the UTG lasts.
 
UPDATE...Turns out the Hawke Airmax scope I returned had a parallax error. Hawke sent me a brand new scope. I think I will just keep it as new for now. Even had thoughts of mounting it on my Remington M580 single shot bolt action .22. Bought the rifle in the late 70's and it is in pristine condition.

That is great news. I did have a question/observation. I noticed AoA has NO Airmax available on their Website, although other models are. Pyramyd seems to list all models. Wondering why?
 
UPDATE...Turns out the Hawke Airmax scope I returned had a parallax error. Hawke sent me a brand new scope. I think I will just keep it as new for now. Even had thoughts of mounting it on my Remington M580 single shot bolt action .22. Bought the rifle in the late 70's and it is in pristine condition.

That is great news. I did have a question/observation. I noticed AoA has NO Airmax available on their Website, although other models are. Pyramyd seems to list all models. Wondering why?

Only thing I can come up with is Sales Demand. Maybe that model line is not selling like other Hawke scopes are.
 
Actually dude the truth is that there are a few scopes that hold up. Utg is the cheapest I have seen that hold up.... I hate utg tho so i bought a swfa ss. As for the moon thing? We never went. Its a free masonic lie shoved down our throat to hide more land past Antarctica and keep you thinking your a monkey on a ball flying through space at 666000 mph. Geeze everybody knows that. Get a swfa and buy once cry once. 😂
 
Actually dude the truth is that there are a few scopes that hold up. Utg is the cheapest I have seen that hold up.... I hate utg tho so i bought a swfa ss. As for the moon thing? We never went. Its a free masonic lie shoved down our throat to hide more land past Antarctica and keep you thinking your a monkey on a ball flying through space at 666000 mph. Geeze everybody knows that. Get a swfa and buy once cry once.
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I am having good luck with the UTG so far ! As far as the rest of your comment I will remain the nice guy that I am and refrain from comment.