WATHER BARREL FOR FX CROWN

So my gunsmith made me a replacement .177 barrel for my Crown in the week, the work cost about $200 including the barrel and took about 2 hours.

He used the brass transfer port from the FX barrel and simply cut the second threaded piece direct into the blank after matching the profile and the original O rings, the brass piece needed a lot of heat to loosen the loctite.

Upon inspection I was surprised to see the FX liner is actually under compression, albiet how much is hard to measure.

With a tin of pellets the gunsmith began rodding the FX liner and was not impressed, now I have not seen this done before so I am only repeating this not trying to bash FX, but when he told me to do it myself even I could feel a huge difference between the FX & Walther barrels.

The FX liner felt like an unlubed round object being pushed up a tight hole (only way I could think to describe it) however the hole would get loose then tight again very juddery, leading me to believe the hole diameter is not very even along the length.

The Walther felt totally different, very smooth indeed and no loose or tight spots even though at this point it was 8-9" longer than the FX liner as it had not been cut down.

I tried to get good pic's of some pellets but my IPhone wasn't upto it, he may do that himself with a macro lens at some point, suffice to say excepting the bite marks the pellet through the Walther barrel looked much less miss-shapen to me.

Finished barrel fitted perfectly, the end threaded to match the 1/2" X 20 on the original and threads directly into the Air Fective shroud.



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Now the downsides, the weight is considerably more, 1/2 pound more (1.5 VS 1 inc shroud), the blank could have been reduced in diameter to match the weight of the original but there is plenty of support at the breech end so it's not a big deal for bench shooting.

Well the barrel shot faster, the groups with the 8.4's were not good, too much speed for the little pill I think, I will try again with lower FPS, but the 10.34's were much better. Not the pellet I wanted to shoot but there you go!


 
Interesting project Spray1Mark. 

Was the STX barrel not performing well enough for you or are you just inquisitive? It seems that the smooth twist or STX barrels just aren't great with 177 calibre. 22 and above are great but maybe the manufacturing process doesn't do the 177's justice? Would love to see your results as I have an Impact X in 22 and 25 and may fit a 177 barrel in the future if a good design is worked out. 

James 
 
The whole thing revolves around shooting an 8.4g JSB at around 950-ish to get the trajectory as flat as possible out to 50 with a 25 yard zero. I have had 3 Crowns and none shoot .177 acceptably IMO.

Strangely enough the Royale I had was like a laser beam in .177!

Now as far as the settings go .22 only gives you a reg/head pressure of 120-ish bar, from that I get about 100 shots. So with the reg at the reccommended 100 bar I can get 200 shots with the .177 barrel, about 1/2 a days shooting before needing to re-fill!

But with the JSB's only the 10.34g and above will shoot accurately and at 880 there is no trajectory advantage with those, not much better than .22 really which isn't flat enough for my liking.

If only I could get a Daystate "Bluewolf" I would have no need for the Crown, I only bought them because I like the blue laminate stock!


 
I've had a lot of trouble with my Crown's 0.22 X barrel. Pushing a pellet through with it a rod feels like pushing it along a washboard and it tells.

Fouls after 70-100 pellets after which accuracy drops to the point where a daisy red Ryder would instill more confidence. Before that it's accuracy is good but no better than any of my other guns and we'll behind some. Point of impact changes enough after cleaning that it requires re-zeroing for longer range so I get 55-85 or so useful shots before it starts again. Big slivers of lead come out every time I clean.

This is after my first crowns whole breech was machined off line.

I have a CZ and a LW poly barrel that were lying in my cupboard for a long while, so dropped them off at my airgunsmith and he's going to machine them to fit and I'll do some testing. Both feel a heck of a lot better when pushing a pellet through than the liner. The pellet's also less 'squashed'. 

Will get the liner polished and see if that changes things. I have to wonder if 'rough twist' isn't a more accurate name, considering how many people have issues with rapid fouling. I know lots of people just accept it and clean regularly but mine seems even quicker than most and makes me not want to shoot the gun. 

It bugs me that guys like a certain fellow countryman of mine (Granted, now essentially an employee of FX) make all these statements that these so called revolutionary liners are 'mirror smooth' and 'every STX liner is exactly the same as each other', managing to make many believe that these barrels are somehow superior to those made by the major barrel companies of the world. Smelled like bs from the start but it's still irritating when it appears to be so far from the truth. 

Sigh, despite my rant I really still like my Crown - the gun feels really awesome to shoot- just wish the X system had lived up to the hype for me like it might have (?) for some. At least with the new barrels coming I can be excited about the gun again. Can't wait to do some testing between the three. Will try get it posted up if I get the time.



@Spray1Mark

Interesting point made about the liner being under compression - I noticed that too and wondered what that might mean for harmonics etc. Especially as some gun makers tension theirs to improve accuracy...
 
Bullpoop aside, my gunsmith is a genius, in fact Fred AX knew him personally and admired his work at Webley Venom, some of his ideas are in FX guns now.

Now here is the real deal! I think that the smooth TX is a stroke of ABSOLUTE GENIUS! the reason for this is that FX have to rely on barrel makers no longer, imagine being able to fully control your whole production process, no reliance on a third party.

My .22 Crown barrel shoots really well when it feels like it! so I fully agree with your first statement.

I almost wish that I had never bought my first Redwolf, simply because that gun IMO is absolute perfection, aesthetics, trigger, acuraccy and unbelievable shot count!

Tempted to get a WALTHER .22 barrel made for the Crown and see what happens with that.
 
@Macros,



Buddy, I feel your pain! I have called out that certain someone a few times, privately, personally and as a repeat customer, via friends, and via friends of friends, you know them too!

What can I say, you and I, down here on the southern tip of Africa, so close to such an airgun legend, yet so far...

All in jest!

PM me on either of the forums, let's compare notes, maybe we can help each other since we are finding it hard to get help from the legend.


 
Bullpoop aside, my gunsmith is a genius, in fact Fred AX knew him personally and admired his work at Webley Venom, some of his ideas are in FX guns now.

Now here is the real deal! I think that the smooth TX is a stroke of ABSOLUTE GENIUS! the reason for this is that FX have to rely on barrel makers no longer, imagine being able to fully control your whole production process, no reliance on a third party.

My .22 Crown barrel shoots really well when it feels like it! so I fully agree with your first statement.

I almost wish that I had never bought my first Redwolf, simply because that gun IMO is absolute perfection, aesthetics, trigger, acuraccy and unbelievable shot count!

Tempted to get a WALTHER .22 barrel made for the Crown and see what happens with that.

Agreed it can be a brilliant thing to make your own barrels, provided they actually provide a performance gain. Nothing like being fully in control of your products' outcome. BSA and Steyer have made their own for ages and they're usually great. Even Hatsan does it with some success. Problem is when either your process or QC is flawed such as with SPA and Kral - then you have a high stakes barrel lottery.

Judging by the apparently massive variation between my STX barrel and others, with at least some being absolutely brilliant, I can only think that the qc end of the process at FX is once again being short changed. Either that or FX really believes this 'mirror smooth, no tool mark' rubbish they've been marketing and doesn't actually bother to check every barrel.

When you crimp/press rifling into a tube, you're bound to get wrinkles/buckling/imperfections (whatever the term may be) within the bore that are no less a problem than imperfect tooling from button rifling or hammer forging and may need polishing out during manufacture. Some may do fine without but no process is perfect and thus having/allowing their marketers to state they're all perfect and identical is ridiculous
 
I think FX is in a catch 22 at the moment, can't keep up with demand, being slagged off by everyone including retailers etc. for that, so they up supply and things suffer!

I honestly think that this year since JSB has been under massive pressure to supply product, their pellet consistency has gone markedly down!

What annoys me about the FX marketing though is the Dreamline concept being released when current product demands arent being satisfied and issues not addressed.