Walther LGV Master Pro .177

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    Adam
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    So I’m finally getting around to doing a bit of a review of my Walther LGV Master Pro in .177.  This is my first and only springer so I can’t compare it to anything other than my pcp’s. I ordered the full power version from krale-schietsport.nl in the Netherlands since they were the only place I could find that had this model and would ship stateside.  Honestly, even with the higher exchange rate and shipping across the world, the prices there are a good bit cheaper than what you can find here.  If you don’t mind watching the market and timing your purchase when the dollar is a little less worthless then you can get an even better deal.  I placed my order through the website and used my debit card.  It was initially declined, but after I ok’d the purchase it processed with no problems.  I ordered over the weekend and at the same time I ordered a scope mount and pellets from pyramyd.  The rifle arrived from the other side of the globe 3 hours before the pyramydair package that was 5 states away. 
        My first impression picking up the gun was just how heavy she is.  Scoped she is a lil over 10lbs, but boy when you pull her up to your shoulder the stock just hugs you.  It’s fantastic.  You just cant offhand aim for too long.  Got setup and fired a few shots over the chronograph and the first few were supersonic.  It then quickly settled in and leveled off at around 13 ftlbs sending the JSB Exacts at 825fps.  The first thing I thought when I was doing this was the trigger was awful.  Truly awful.  It was mushy, nothing close to crisp and the trigger actually flopped back and forth when you shook the gun.  At first I really just though it was overhyped and it was just bleh, but then it started not firing from safety malfunctions.  Mildly devastated I contacted Walther/Umarex to see if a replacement part could be had or if they knew of some silly american goof I was doing.  After a week I hadn’t heard back so I hit up krale-schietsport and was quickly responded to by the owner of the store, Gerrit Krale.  He got in touch with Umarex and they quickly got in touch with me.  Gerrit kept checking in throughout the duration of the RMA even though he had done more than his part.  High praise to Mr Krale.
        Umarex had me ship the gun minus the stock to them in Arkansas at my expense and had it returned in 8 days IIRC.  She came back with a repair slip stating the entire trigger assembly had to be replaced.  They tallied up the costs like a regular receipt and I was a little shocked to see it totaled over $300.  Of course it was zeroed out in the amount due box, but still that seems high.  I had shipped the gun without the stock but with the trigger guard attached to avoid any damage to the trigger during shipping.  When it came back it did so with one original screw in the trigger guard and a replaced one that was about 1/4″ shorter.  Well the short one worked when there was no stock and the guard was right up against the reciever, but not so much with the stock in place.  So I emailed the Umarex guys back and they sent a replacement allen screw to me.  I did go down to Lowe’s and grab my own replacement for a few cents that afternoon, but WTF Umarex, get it together. 
        After I got her all back together I was finally able to see what the glowing reviews were all about.  It really is a joy to shoot.  It is silky smooth to cock and remarkably solid on lock up.  I get the bank vault door reference.  The shot cycle is quick and there is very little kick, but you can start to feel it in your shoulder after a few dozen rounds or so.  It isn’t very loud, sounds kinda like sticking your tongue out like a little kid and making a fart noise.

    Accuracy is definitely there and I imagine as I learn more about the gun and try some more pellets it will only get better.  So far Ive only tried JSB Exact 8.44, AirArms Heavy 10.3 and H&N Barracuda Match 10.65.  The JSB’s and the H&N’s seem to be preferred.  Here’s a target with a new scope mounted (Hawke Vantage 2-7×32 AO) which really balances the look of the gun but the reticle crosshairs are so thick they almost completly cover a penny at 31yds on 6x.  Sorry for the cockeyed phone pic.  It refuses to rotate

    Over all I am pleased with the purchase, however for the money and the reputation of the maker I feel like I shouldn’t have gotten a lemon even though it was repaired and I definitely shouldn’t have had to pay anything to have it repaired even if it was only shipping.  I would make any purchase again from Gerrit, although I haven’t fully decided if I would buy this rifle again, simply because of the price.  That said, since this is my only experience with a springer I feel like I may have a skewed perspective.  A bit like a guy who has only ever driven an Aston Martin DB9 sayin “Ehhh, it’s not great on gas, but it’ll get ya where your going.”

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    mcdonama
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    Thanks for the detailed review.  Got to agree with you re: Gerrit Krale.  I purchased a Weihrauch HW35 from him earlier this year.  He’s a great guy to work with– always very helpful and responsive.

    Matt

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    coop709
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    I can sympathize with you on getting a bad one. Last year, I saved my pennies and got a ProSport so that I could see what all the hype was about. It was quite a smooth shooter, but it was not leaps and bounds ahead of my Beeman R1, and the trigger adjustment was horrible. Out of the box, there was really no spring pressure on the first stage, and it was so light, I would consider it dangerous. Uncocked, the trigger flopped around. It took me a couple of days of tinkering with it to get it right. Now we were on to the fun part of shooting, for about a week… I then noticed that the barrel shroud was moving. I called Pyramyd. They were helpful and had me return it. A week later, I received a NEW gun. This second one had a factory blemish in the finish on the stock and vibrated so bad that I could not stand to shoot it and the trigger was as poorly adjusted as the first. So, I ordered my own lube and did a lube tune on a new gun and worked with the trigger until it was where I wanted it. The results were fantastic! It is a shame that you can spend that much money on what is supposed to be a top of the line product and you have do work on it right away. All of my Beeman guns may be “less refined” with their clunky, German, “built like a tank” engineering, but they came out of the box ready to shoot. The most I ever had to do to them was tighten stock screws.

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    coop709
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    Its a fine looking rifle that you have. I have not gotten to handle any of the Walther rifles. It looks as though the JSB might be its pellet of choice, and 825 fps is more than respectable. What did the extreme spread look like?

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    Great write up Adam !!! PS really enjoyed talking with you on the phone about the rifle . Looks like she’s a KEEPER for sure . The accuracy will just get better after it breaks in

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    Adam
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    first chrony run since she’s been back
    10 shots JSB Exact 10.44
    833
    843
    838
    846
    842
    853
    844
    839
    847
    843
    HI: 853
    LO: 833
    Av: 842
    SD: 5

    Just a little bit faster than when I sent her off.  I wonder if they did anything other than replace the trigger now?  Or do springers change their avg fps as they settle in?  I kinda feel like the H&N’s just edged out the JSB’s.  I have my eye on the H&N sampler pack that has FTT and BM with 2 different weights in 3 head sizes, I just gotta come up with some other stuff I “need” from pyramyd so I don’t get gouged on shipping.  I may get the StraightShoooters sampler pack as well, but truthfully if she shoots most things well then it really falls on my shooting form to tighten up the groups enough to be able to tell which pellet actually performs better

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    Adam
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    Back at ya Joe.  It still makes me smile a little on the inside that “A BB gun?!” (you have to read that in Nancy Grace’s voice) has gotten me in touch with people all over the world in pursuit and in support of this hobby.

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    I hear ya Adam .Some really good folks…I’d name some but I know my forgetful ass would leave some out !! But a few .. Donny Du , Eddie Do , Ernest Rowe , Andy H and Matt at WWAG , And Steve who makes the great videos !!

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