Walther LGV, LGU or Air Arms TX 200

I have the gun Joe is talking about, the LGV Master Pro. I like to imagine it's the only one in the states, makes me feel all special. I chose the LGV for a lot of the same reasons that Joe likes it, I got bum finger joints and the break barrel is easier to load. The gun is just as accrate as most pcp's, but be prepared she's a big gurl. Not really a totin around gun. I thought all the talk about the lock-up like a bank vault and amazing trigger was just hype, but it is not. I can pick her up by the barrel and hold her out flat and there is no wiggling or movement of any sort and I've never opened her or tightened anything down. It may just be my jug head fitting just right, but I have never had a gun feel as good to shoulder. Its like a wooden hug. And Joe I know we talked way back right after I got her and I said I wasn't sure yet about buying it again, but I am now. She's worth it and I won't be getting rid of her. I have the .177 and it was the "high power" version and I get 13 ft-lbs with JSB 8.44gr @ 840

I can vouch forAdam and his skills with the gun !! The guy can flat out shoot and the gun can too !! He sent me some groups he had shot just breaking it in that made me wanna strangle him His opinion on the gun right after he got it was what really put it on my radar .

I'm sure if you've done your research on most accurate pellet gun you've heard of the German RWS Diana Model 54. I bought this gun and love it, I've never been a fan of reporting a 25 yard grouping if they're all in the same hole so I just measure my 50, I get 1" to 1 1/4" groupings repetitively with it. The reason is obvious, fixed barrel, and the entire action slides on a rail system so it actually slides back an inch when you shoot. You know how with accurate shooting the follow through is an important aspect to be aware of? Well this gun does it for you. Unfortunately not a lot of them are out there, so there arent many YouTube reviews, but there's a few articles written. I was seriously considering the TX200 before I bought this, but I'm glad I didn't buy it.

Everybody has their favorites . you've got to have a good feeling by now which appeals to you most ...Do like a lot of us do , rent it don't buy it !!!
I don't get attached to any gun , I buy it , shoot it awhile , tear it apart and clean it up and polish it I side and out . Then I sell it and get something else .
So many guns I wanna try out , but can't try a new one till I sell one . So its a revolving door
Have fun , sometimes the shopping can be as much fun as the gun.

Lgv is really just as accurate but the tx is my favorite. You cant go wrong with the tx or lgu it really depends on what styling you like better

"JoeWayneRhea" sometimes the shopping can be as much fun as the gun.

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This ^_^ 

the planning,the checking review, the shopping around, getting the perfect scope and pellets, learning to shot the gun, then next project.

I currently own both LGU and TX200hc. The lgu is the sweeter gun to shoot out the box. The quality is not on par though with my TX. The bear trap mechanism came loose straight away, and is a beast to lock back down. The trigger is, well to be fair in comparison crap. It really is. But believe me when I tell you that it is one seriously accurate rifle. It really is. Everything mentioned can be corrected. The feeling you get while shooting it ... can’t explain it. Sometimes you shoot a gun and you’re on the fence, maybe it was me, maybe it wasnt. With the lgu you know if you miss it was all you. I like that feeling. It shows me where I can improve. My TX IS SO REFINED... but it is like a high priced sports car. You know it can run the race, and win, but given the slightest deviation, you will end up in the ditch. My LGU sits in a corner right now. My own ignorance caused me to manhandle it’s quality issues with a hammer out of frustration rendering it unshootable. Out of frustration I refuse to send it off to be fixed. I look at it each morning wishing it had come to me as well built as my TX. If it had, I wouldn’t own the TX. Will you need to buy a better trigger? Yes. The LGU trigger is mush. Any who say it isn’t are telling half truths. My TX trigger is beautiful. It’s shot cycle is not however. Not after having shot the LGU. The LGU is the dog you picked up from the pound. Loyal, everything you want, but not something you care to show off to your friends. I have however spent a lot of money on my tx to get it where I want it. It still lacks the feel and ease of my LGU however, and sadly because of this, I will never be satisfied. So, I just ordered a LGV Master Pro. I can tell you now, if it shoots as well as my LGU, with less fuss than my TX, I’ll render my TX my guest rifle. There is a reason you see drop in tuning kits for the HW and AA but none for the LGU,LGV. Just my two cents.

Ag , I have had both and yes the build quality isn't in the same league . But I honestly have owned my last TX200 ( probably ) . To me they are like a beautiful woman you can't quite trust . 
The LGU is like a Best friend who will have your back no matter what .
There is something about a TX shot cycle that is hard for me to put into words ...But I do know its not pleasant to me .....I know , I know I'm in the minority talking down about the sacred TX200 but its just not a gun I want to own again .
I had a convertible sports car when I was younger and it was gorgeous , stylish , sleek , and turned heads like crazy ..... But it was a pain in the ass too . Owning a TX is a lot like that for me 

I’ve had a Walther LGV Ultra for just on 12 months. Out of the box it was extremely quiet, a dull and I mean very dull thunk, and very accurate. I had to adjust the trigger a bit but that’s all. All I did was blue locktite the stock screws the first day. It weighs 4.6 kilos with glass and is very comfortable to shoot and it’s the 23 joule version in 22 cal.

I have read many posts since joining this wonderfull forum and have thoroughly enjoyed the tune ups on the HWs, TXs and RWSs but I have never seen any posts on tuning an LGV, it doesn’t warrant one imo. I concur with Ag5643 I’ve never seen drop in tuning kits for the LGV and you do know it’s all you when you miss with the LGV.

I don’t own any of the other airrifles mentioned so I can’t compair but I’m extremely happy with my LGV. I get my new D56 target Hunter at the end of this month so I’ll have two quality German airrifles to compair. Happy days.

Don’t get me wrong though, I love my TX. It is without a doubt the most beautiful, well built springer I have owned. I have it shooting sub 12 fpe currently and it is very accurate. The shot cycle though just isn’t on par with what the lgu is, even now after I’ve lowered the power. I shot the lgu off a bag, in fact it didn’t care how it was held, the TX though is sensitive. Neither seem to be pellet fussy. 

I had the tx200 tuned down and still did not like the shot cycle either. It is a work of art, almost to nice (as Joe was saying) I was so worried about bumping it and placing it just right when I put it up not to damage anything, I also am in the minority as I doubt I would get one again, very hold sensitive for me. Have not had a Walter yet so cant comment on that. T

I have an LGU .177 and it is really an excellent rifle for the money. Mine was refurb (great deal) and I have done some mods but it truly is an excellent rifle out the box. I was surprised when I first shot it. Didn't matter how you held it. It was easy to shoot well. Even better with a few mods (trigger/sleeve, etc) if your so inclined. See my post about LGU mods.

LGV is next on my list but in .22. 

Regards,

-DT

Horses for Courses. They all have their pros and cons. I have the TX200, HW97 and the RWS54. In my opinion the shot cycle is better on the HW97 and it is less hold sensitive. Handing either the TX200 or the HW97 to someone who has never shot a springer is an exercise in frustration though. The HW97 will give decent results with almost any hold but will shoot excellent from any rest or with any type of artillery hold. It also has the best trigger. The TX200 shoots like a shotgun until you have it ALL figured out. Artillery hold from just under and slightly behind the loading port, light but consistent cheek weld and a little heavier on the but pad. When all of that is right then it shoots amazing but you are punished for any deviation. Now the RWS 54? Hand it to anyone who is strong enough to cock it, and no matter how they hold it or what rest they use, it shoots PCP groups to 50 yards and does it with at least 5 foot pounds over the others.
Like others have pointed out the TX200 is not just a sports car, it is a fine Italian sports car. The HW97 is a Corvette. It looks almost as good and is every bit as fast while being even easier to drive but won't have the eyeball in the country club parking lot. The RWS56? Not sure how to describe it. It's faster than either of the others, you could drive it without a license and none of your groupies will think its cool until you beat them with it or they try it themselves. I guess it's like a dragster!

The TX200 wins the most spring class field target competitions but the RWS54 wins more than its share and there are at least 10 TX200s for every RWS54 at these shoots!

Got a UPS email notification that my delivery from Krale happened today. That means my LGV Master Pro is sitting at my house waiting on me. To bad I am at work!
Such is life. The HW97k pg2 tuning kit is scheduled to arrive tomorrow which I plan on installing. Both the kit, and the current set up are 12fpe. This thread also motivated me to contact Umarex to get the replacement part for my LGU. My LGU is the full power model currently, but I fully plan to get a 12fpe kit for it as well. My TX has a 12fpe pg2 kit in it currently, however I have a TBT short stroke full tune kit in route for it as well. Going to be a busy month looks like but I am absolutely ok with that. I will keep you all posted.

It was late when I got home but I did put close to 100 pellets through the new LGV Master Pro. To say I am amazed is an understatement. The gun is simply amazing. It has the nicest beech stock I have ever put my hands on. Great grain and is a very dark walnut color. Much nicer than that of my LGU. The bluing is also beautiful. When holding it next to my TX I could not pick between the two. Shouldering the rifle just feels so good. Better than the TX or the LGU. Rather than immediately fire the rifle, I decided to tear it down to degrease and re lube. I also wanted to take a look at the internals. After taking it apart and inspecting, I promptly reassembled it. There were no excess lubricants. Were I to degrease and relube, it would have come out the same as it was so there was no need. Everything about it screams quality! I mounted a Hawk sidewinder and began to test pellets. This is the most well mannered springer I have ever fired. Everything is butter smooth. The firing cycle is absolute heaven. The only complaint I have is the trigger but I knew what to expect and it in no way effects accuracy. Of all pellets tested, surprisingly it shoots the JSB. 10.34 the best. People talk about pcp accuracy... this rifle absolutely delivers on that and this is brand new straight out of the box! It is amazing. I fully expected to be installing a pg2 kit tomorrow, but I can say now I will not be doing anything to this rifle other than installing a Rowan trigger. Just for grins I attached my Donny fl Sumo. I haven’t smiled so much because of a rifle in a very long time. With the sumo installed, it transforms the gun. It deadens the cycle to a level I can’t explain in words and I can honestly say it is just as quiet as my FX Impact in .177. Now, after having fired the TX, the LGU, and the LGV Master Pro, and owning all 3 currently I can whole heartedly say without a doubt in my opinion, the LGV Master Pro is the nicest spring gun I have ever had the pleasure of shooting. I’ll include a few pictures. The group is an 8 shot group at 25 yards. That’s a 10.34 JSB next to it for reference.

Beautiful rifle Ag5643. I was reading your earlier post this morning and I wondered why you would want to put the pg2 kit in it when the LGVs are soooooo accurate with exceptional shot cycle and no twang etc. I have the LGV Challenger Ultra in 22 cal as I thought I would damage the stock when hunting but no scratches so far.

Happy shooting.

In truth, I planned on doing the swap because I have never purchased a rifle I have been 100% satisfied with. My lgu while very smooth, does have a slight buzz to it. It’s also full power which I do not like in springers. I planned on the lgv being similar minus shooting at full power. I could not have been more wrong. I don’t know if I just got lucky or what but I am extremely impressed. The rifle didn’t even diesel. All I did was clean the barrel. I put a few rounds down range this morning before heading into work. It is currently shooting the JSB 10’s at 676 for 10.5 fpe. I imagine once bedded in it will increase slightly. I plan on removing the muzzle weight and using an ldc. I can’t put into words how beautiful the rifle shoots with the Sumo attached. 

My LGV has the 23 joule spring and I’m really impressed with it. We can’t have suppressors in Australia but if allowed I honestly don’t think I would use one as the whole shot cycle is very quite.

With those fps am I correct in thinking your LGV is the 16 joule version.

Yes. It is the 16j model. 

The only thing I can offer perspective on here is the TX. I've owned one for years, and the quality is excellent. I did the long range breaker challenge (shooting a golf ball) at 106 yards with my TX 200 in the wind on my second shot. That gun has always been my personal go to springer, and shoots H&N 14.66gr FTTs amazingly well.