Walnut vs Beech for gun stocks

I’m quite sure as a young man I read an article written and published by Dr. beeman. He extolled all of the virtues of beech versus any other wood for use as an air gun stock. This was from a mass production standpoint. BeechIs an excellent stable inexpensive hardwood. it grows fast. Has been used for hundreds of years in Europe to put on military rifles.

Some percentage of beech is much better looking than others. You can say the same thing for Walnut.

As a wood collector and lover for years, walnut can vary greatly in its weight. Look at side-by-side shotguns of the same make and configurations, the weight of the wood will vary over a quarter pound.

Here are four stocks comprised of 2 Koa, 2 Walnut Ebony and Rosewood tips. I just received them back from the lady who did the checkering. She said that Koa was brutal to work with. I understand it’s quite hard, but it is nowhere on the list of hardness that you guys have above.

I love beautiful wood!

mike

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I’m quite sure as a young man I read an article written and published by Dr. beeman. He extolled all of the virtues of beech versus any other wood for use as an air gun stock. This was from a mass production standpoint. BeechIs an excellent stable inexpensive hardwood. it grows fast. Has been used for hundreds of years in Europe to put on military rifles.

Some percentage of beech is much better looking than others. You can say the same thing for Walnut.

As a wood collector and lover for years, walnut can vary greatly in its weight. Look at side-by-side shotguns of the same make and configurations, the weight of the wood will vary over a quarter pound.

Here are four stocks comprised of 2 Koa, 2 Walnut Ebony and Rosewood tips. I just received them back from the lady who did the checkering. She said that Koa was brutal to work with. I understand it’s quite hard, but it is nowhere on the list of hardness that you guys have above.

I love beautiful wood!

mike

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Flintsack very nice jewerly. Great taste. Love your designs. Send some pics to Air Arms please, I’m not a fan of the lillies. Enjoy Crow 

 

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Here are four stocks comprised of 2 Koa, 2 Walnut Ebony and Rosewood tips. I just received them back from the lady who did the checkering. She said that Koa was brutal to work with. I understand it’s quite hard, but it is nowhere on the list of hardness that you guys have above.

I love beautiful wood!

mike

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B17E1A11-27C9-4AE8-B55B-094D7B208AC7.1648684316.jpeg





I thought I posted this earlier. That is some beautiful wood, prettier than most of the collectibles we see here from time to time. I'd be worried about carrying artwork like that to the field though. 
 
I love nice stocks but they are problematic. I bought an HW30 Urban Hunter with the silver-black composite stock. For the life of me, I don't want to even take it outside. I'm so worried about putting a ding in it. 

My dad was a big camera buff. He told the story of buying a new Leica M3 camera in the 1950's. He found that his picture quality dropped with the new camera. A good friend noticed and said, 'give me your camera'. He proceeded to put a big scratch in the case with a key. He handed it back and said 'here, I fixed it for you.' My father was appalled, but miraculously, his pictures improved after that. He said later that you cannot master something if you're afraid of damaging it. 






 
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If I cant enjoy its beauty, why have it ?? In my opinion the syn stocks look like cheap kids toys, I much perfer my Walnut stocks and I dont really see nany dings or bangs in them !!! My first TX200 MK1 was shot for 25 years in competition before I retired and stupidly sold it.....one of its biggest selling points was the " beautifull" walnut stock !!
 
If I cant enjoy its beauty, why have it ?? In my opinion the syn stocks look like cheap kids toys, I much perfer my Walnut stocks and I dont really see nany dings or bangs in them !!! My first TX200 MK1 was shot for 25 years in competition before I retired and stupidly sold it.....one of its biggest selling points was the " beautifull" walnut stock !!

Total agreement. Granted the first few handling marks are disappointing. But after a while the whole rifle becomes a thing of beauty. Like a old Mauser or vintage rifle that shows the love and joy it has seen. Nicer than when new. A real heirloom. Like a fine old piece of furniture. Never happen with a synthetic stock.
 
If I cant enjoy its beauty, why have it ?? In my opinion the syn stocks look like cheap kids toys, I much perfer my Walnut stocks and I dont really see nany dings or bangs in them !!! My first TX200 MK1 was shot for 25 years in competition before I retired and stupidly sold it.....one of its biggest selling points was the " beautifull" walnut stock !!

Total agreement. Granted the first few handling marks are disappointing. But after a while the whole rifle becomes a thing of beauty. Like a old Mauser or vintage rifle that shows the love and joy it has seen. Nicer than when new. A real heirloom. Like a fine old piece of furniture. Never happen with a synthetic stock.

100 percent!
 
Been some debate lately on the hardness of Walnut vs Beech. Should also discuss the pros and cons of the two for the usage in gun stocks. Below is a hardness chart of the woods being considered. Clearly the Beech is harder than the Walnut. If Beech is harder then shouldn’t that be the best material to use? Not necessarily. Harder is not always better or stronger. The harder the wood is the more brittle it is also. Easier to crack if to much pressure is applied against it. Like screws in a butt pad for example. Also, hardness is not the only factor in the equation. Moisture, or the woods ability to collect it is also very important. The more moisture the wood can collect the more expansion the wood will have. Like a sponge. Shrinks when it is very dry and swells when wet. This factor can cause very significant issues when using for a gun stock. Particularly in springers. Ever wonder why the screws are always coming loose? Beech being the harder wood is also the sponge. It will expand and contract more than Walnut. Many other factors like, old growth/new growth, wood harvested near the sap ring vs near the pith, burls and such can influence the density/hardness of a particular board. Below is a moisture chart.

Most of us springer lovers understand the “hold sensitive” aspect of the springer. Have we ever considered the hold sensitive aspect of the stock to the receiver? If that stock is gripping the receiver differently from day to day then that certainly must be an accuracy factor. The Beech stock enhances the issue. Something to consider when the gun is put away shooting the same hole and taken out at a later date only to find out the entire group has moved or worse.
Walnut is best choice for a gun stock. It is a hardwood but not to hard. It is a stable wood considering expansion and contraction. It is also a beautiful wood. Why is Beech used so much then? Because it is inexpensive compared to Walnut. Walnut is predominantly used on upper end firearms. Something to consider.View attachment 204131View attachment 204141
There is a reason why walnut has been the wood of choice for hundreds of years. It is very durable in my opinion it is far superior to Beech. Even the military used walnut because of its durability. Beech would have saved a good bit of money over walnut but they specified walnut.