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Hi all, first off let me introduce myself, I'm Achilles, have shot springers all my life (.177 weihrauch HW50s and HW97k) and am finally ready to make my way into pcp-rifles...

I have been looking around and since I moved I need a quieter rifle, hence pcp. I'm looking for about 15-17 fpe in .22 and as quiet as can be, if need be with a mod to make it more than backyard friendly. So after looking around it appears as though the eastern europeans are making some fine quality air rifles (since the swedes seem to be having some qc problems...). The vulcan mk4 ( on clearance so same price as the veteran short) and lighter, shorter than the vulcan 2) and the taipan mutant shorty (they come in at the same price) The leshiy is a contender as well but I notice a lot of people complaining about leaks etc these days + a bit more expensive...

As I've said I'd like to detune them to about 16 fpe max for short range, quiet shooting in the back yard. With the option of turning them back up to shoot in the fields when I want to ...And here is were you guys come in : I would love some user input on noise levels, ease of detuning, durability... Any input is greatly appreciated as well as suggestions for other problem-free compact, quiet .22 rifles.

I love the vulcans stock and the fact they have a built in UIT rail for mounting a bipod,but cannot find ANY information about detuning one. On the other hand the veterans have a flawless reputation and plenty of information available online... but man are they ugly... 



Any input is greatly appreciated! 

Kind regards

Achilles 
 
I currently own (3) AGT Vulcans -- Gen4 Vulcan Tactic .22 cal., Vulcan2 Tactic .25 cal.,and Vulcan2 .30 cal -- and (2) Taipan Veterans. The Veterans are .22 cal. Standard and .25 cal Long. I prefer the Taipan Veteran over the Vulcans precisely for the reason mentioned in your inquiry: The Taipans are discernibly quieter than the Vulcans. 

Both brands are supremely accurate and robust. However, I find the the rear cocking lever on the Taipans to be much smoother than the forward cocking level on the Vulcans; although I prefer the forward cocking lever. If only Taipan would move the lever forward...😋

All of the aforementioned bullpups are outfitted with the DonnyFL Sumo LDC. This moderator makes all 5 pups backyard friendly for my subdivision. Although, as I mentioned before, the Taipans are much quieter and don't have the audible "ping" sound of the Vulcans.

Like you, I was once turned off by the physical appearance of the Veterans in photos, but after hearing so many positive reviews of the Taipan Veteran i.e. its accuracy and its excellent trigger, I decided to give it shot. And I do not regret the decision. In fact, in person, the Taipan Veteran is rather attractive.

I hope this helps you in deciding on which gun to choose.

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View attachment 1564824389_19519708105d455345b053e6.54192317_Taipan Veteran .22 Standard and .25 Long.HEIC


 
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I love them both. They could both be detuned and I’d suggest doing it the correct way by adjusting the reg and then dialing the hammer spring tension to match. There isn’t a wrong answer with choosing either. 

I have had several Taipans Mutant and Veteran. I currently have (2) Vulcan gen 4s. I love the Vulcans as long as they have the side-levers. The forward cocking pushes them past the Veteran for me right now. With that said, the Veteran has the best trigger on the market (Vulcan is very good though), the Veteran’s mag system is also the best and they have anti-double load. Again, no wrong answer. 
 
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I currently own (3) AGT Vulcans -- Gen4 Vulcan Tactic .22 cal., Vulcan2 Tactic .25 cal.,and Vulcan2 .30 cal -- and (2) Taipan Veterans. The Veterans are .22 cal. Standard and .25 cal Long. I prefer the Taipan Veteran over the Vulcans precisely for the reason mentioned in your inquiry: The Taipans are discernibly quieter than the Vulcans. 

Both brands are supremely accurate and robust. However, I find the the rear cocking lever on the Taipans to be much smoother than the forward cocking level on the Vulcans; although I prefer the forward cocking lever. If only Taipan would move the lever forward...
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All of the aforementioned bullpups are outfitted with the DonnyFL Sumo LDC. This moderator makes all 5 pups backyard friendly for my subdivision. Although, as I mentioned before, the Taipans are much quieter and don't have the audible "ping" sound of the Vulcans.

Like you, I was once turned off by the physical appearance of the Veterans in photos, but after hearing so many positive reviews of the Taipan Veteran i.e. its accuracy and its excellent trigger, I decided to give it shot. And I do not regret the decision. In fact, in person, the Taipan Veteran is rather attractive.

I hope this helps you in deciding on which gun to choose.

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View attachment 1564824389_19519708105d455345b053e6.54192317_Taipan Veteran .22 Standard and .25 Long.HEIC

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If you want to get rid of nearly all the ping in the the vulcan action, slip a smallish but relatively snug fitting oring into the return spring for the cocking lever. It sits at an angle alongside the hammer spring and reverberates like crazy. The hammer spring actually isn't the culprit, especially since they added the little dampening sleeve to it 


 
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I currently own (3) AGT Vulcans -- Gen4 Vulcan Tactic .22 cal., Vulcan2 Tactic .25 cal.,and Vulcan2 .30 cal -- and (2) Taipan Veterans. The Veterans are .22 cal. Standard and .25 cal Long. I prefer the Taipan Veteran over the Vulcans precisely for the reason mentioned in your inquiry: The Taipans are discernibly quieter than the Vulcans. 

Both brands are supremely accurate and robust. However, I find the the rear cocking lever on the Taipans to be much smoother than the forward cocking level on the Vulcans; although I prefer the forward cocking lever. If only Taipan would move the lever forward...
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All of the aforementioned bullpups are outfitted with the DonnyFL Sumo LDC. This moderator makes all 5 pups backyard friendly for my subdivision. Although, as I mentioned before, the Taipans are much quieter and don't have the audible "ping" sound of the Vulcans.

Like you, I was once turned off by the physical appearance of the Veterans in photos, but after hearing so many positive reviews of the Taipan Veteran i.e. its accuracy and its excellent trigger, I decided to give it shot. And I do not regret the decision. In fact, in person, the Taipan Veteran is rather attractive.

I hope this helps you in deciding on which gun to choose.

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View attachment 1564824389_19519708105d455345b053e6.54192317_Taipan Veteran .22 Standard and .25 Long.HEIC

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If you want to get rid of nearly all the ping in the the vulcan action, slip a smallish but relatively snug fitting oring into the return spring for the cocking lever. It sits at an angle alongside the hammer spring and reverberates like crazy. The hammer spring actually isn't the culprit, especially since they added the little dampening sleeve to it 

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Thanks Macros, I will try your remedy.
 
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I know Vulcans are great guns, but if you want a "compact", quiet, easy to tune and low maintenance gun the .22 Short Veteran is your ticket, just add a Donny's speed dialer for fine tuning, if you want it mouse fart quiet, ill throw a Sumo from Donny and the last but not the least, ill get the Papy_Yosh side lever biathlon type, it makes it so smooth and easy to cock.
 
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Hi all

Thank you all very much for the answers! You guys are awesome ! Looks like the Veteran universally is one of the favorite quiet and reliable shorties of all! I guess it made my shortlist real quick :p Even though the Leshiy .20 at 12 fpe is still on there... ( but then again I might have to buy one this year and one next year right? We have a saying here, loosely translates to " you can't stand on one leg ". )
Another question for the Taipan owners here, has anyone done anything about the stock ? (like skeletonize it a little, reshape the front grip?) If at all possible, could someone post a picture of the "top view" with the airgun chassis removed (so I can see how deep any milling would be) ? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to slim down the front grip slightly to fit the hand better and perhaps have a slot milled out for a piece of UIT rail just like the vulcans have? ( I don't like sling studs or visible weaver rails...) 

P.s. I'd love to see some of your taipans in action ! 



Thanks again guys and girls !



Achilles 
 
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Hi all

Thank you all very much for the answers! You guys are awesome ! Looks like the Veteran universally is one of the favorite quiet and reliable shorties of all! I guess it made my shortlist real quick :p Even though the Leshiy .20 at 12 fpe is still on there... ( but then again I might have to buy one this year and one next year right? We have a saying here, loosely translates to " you can't stand on one leg ". )
Another question for the Taipan owners here, has anyone done anything about the stock ? (like skeletonize it a little, reshape the front grip?) If at all possible, could someone post a picture of the "top view" with the airgun chassis removed (so I can see how deep any milling would be) ? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to slim down the front grip slightly to fit the hand better and perhaps have a slot milled out for a piece of UIT rail just like the vulcans have? ( I don't like sling studs or visible weaver rails...) 

P.s. I'd love to see some of your taipans in action ! 



Thanks again guys and girls !



Achilles
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The item in the link is no longer available, however, I believe it speaks to the possibilities for modifying the "bland" Taipan stock.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-custom-taipan-stock-for-veteran-standard-or-long/
 
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Hi all

Thank you all very much for the answers! You guys are awesome ! Looks like the Veteran universally is one of the favorite quiet and reliable shorties of all! I guess it made my shortlist real quick :p Even though the Leshiy .20 at 12 fpe is still on there... ( but then again I might have to buy one this year and one next year right? We have a saying here, loosely translates to " you can't stand on one leg ". )
Another question for the Taipan owners here, has anyone done anything about the stock ? (like skeletonize it a little, reshape the front grip?) If at all possible, could someone post a picture of the "top view" with the airgun chassis removed (so I can see how deep any milling would be) ? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to slim down the front grip slightly to fit the hand better and perhaps have a slot milled out for a piece of UIT rail just like the vulcans have? ( I don't like sling studs or visible weaver rails...) 

P.s. I'd love to see some of your taipans in action ! 



Thanks again guys and girls !



Achilles
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Once you see how accurate is the Taipan you wont care much about the looks of the stock! Lol




 
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@Regarval, +1



Also just talking about the vet that I own, the vet is easy maintenance, 5 o-rings or so, easy tuning (except the reg that can be a pain to adjust). With the hammer spring adjusted stated above from donnyfl, it is definitely a winner in my eyes. If it could have had a front lever, it would be a top contender of the bullpup world.

Look around on the forum, peeps have posted stock mods, I think @hooter posted something about that too.
 
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I can't speak for the Vulcan, I'm sure it's a fine gun, but the anti double feed on the Veteran is, as my buddy always says, " the monkey's nuts". If Taipan ever did come up with a forward cocking lever, my personal opinion is that there would be no gun that could compete with it. The ONLY complaint you ever hear, other than the stock, is the rear cocking lever. It's no big deal to me but I can see why a guy might want that feature. 
 
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I'm a Taipan owner. The stock isn't the most photogenic but once you handle one it grows on you. I had the same guy who made the custom stock in this thread build me a walnut stock that is identical to the factory stock shape. It is ergonomically perfect as is, even if it's not the prettiest looking shape from photos. BTW, the stockmaker is Michael Osyda in Poland.
 
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I always read about people calling their guns mouse fart quiet. The .25 taipan standard when turned up hot, is pretty loud. Nice loud snap. I put a donnyfl Ronin on it. Now that taipan is the only gun I have personally heard that is mouse fart quiet. My .22 crown with a sumo at 30fpe was louder. I purchased a Taipan for the build quality alone. It feels tough.
 
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I have a gen 3 vulcan in .25. Great shooter. Its pretty quite stock. I do have a DonnyFL on it currently and that sure brought the noise down a good amount. I would not mind picking up a Taipan at some point just to have. Also Having heard so much good about them. Also do not over look EDgun. They are amazing airguns as well and I find myself shooting my Lelya more then my other airguns. That thing is very compact, yet still has a serious punch. 
 
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