Vulcan 25 vz wildcat 25: which one ?!!

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    bornkiller
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    I was recently in this exact dilemma I went with the Vulcan after hours of home work the Vulcan seems like it will be better for my needs hunting so the smaller compact tipped it for me also I seen and hear the accuracy of the Vulcan is amazing I ordered Vulcan its on the way can’t wait I also having new baffles it is super backyard friendly with the new baffles same design of baffles as the colibri and like a lot of people said by the time u buy another mag and the case the Vulcan and wildcat r only 100 dollars apart also I have not found any threads or reports of problems the wildcat to me was scary seen some minor oring problems and indexing problems I’m getting my Vulcan soon 
    so my vote is Vulcan 

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    KYAirgunner
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    I have a Vulcan and I was in the same position you are in wildcat vs. Vulcan. The things that appealed to me about the Vulcan over the wildcat were:
     Had better shot count
    ​it was smaller
    ​I like the fact that the CZ barreled sholdnt be as pellet fussy as the ST,s

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    Beach-gunner
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    I Ditto what KY just said, also wooden stock, forward cocking action which can easily be changed from left hand to right hand.  I thought this would make a difference  if I ever wanted to resell my Vulcan for an upgrade in the future.   If you can sell to right handers and left handers you’ll have a bigger market and that can affect price!

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    arod2000
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    “KYAirgunner”I have a Vulcan …

    Had better shot count
     

    
I’m not sure this is accurate information. I’ve read the of Vulcan getting 45-55 shots before dropping off. I know the two times I did a shot string on my WC it got 52 and 55 shots before dropping off. I suspect they get about the same number of shots per fill. The Vulcan is a slightly more powerful gun as it shoots 920-925fps and the WC is at 910-915fps so I might suspect the Vulcan to get less shots. Regardless, they’re in the exact same range for shot count. 

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    KYAirgunner
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    “arod2000”

    “KYAirgunner”I have a Vulcan …

    Had better shot count

     

    
I’m not sure this is accurate information. I’ve read the of Vulcan getting 45-55 shots before dropping off. I know the two times I did a shot string on my WC it got 52 and 55 shots before dropping off. I suspect they get about the same number of shots per fill. The Vulcan is a slightly more powerful gun as it shoots 920-925fps and the WC is at 910-915fps so I might suspect the Vulcan to get less shots. Regardless, they’re in the exact same range for shot count. 

    
Arod, is your WC a .22 or a .25 I forgot to mention mine was a .25 from what I saw on the WC .25 people were saying it was getting around 40 to 45 shots but I could be wrong. Im getting about 6 nine shot mags off before refilling that is 54 shots.

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    Daxx
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    Behold the logic and be blinded by air gun science.  

    This baby can shoot!!  All I hear is the hammer spring ping, twang, or whatever you call it.
     
    Meet SPOCK – Silent Pre-charged pneumatic with Optics Critter Killer

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    jamieinmd
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    I love it ! Love the acronym too.

    Jamie 

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    linsfreak
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    Dax…….that’s awesome

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    Beach-gunner
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    I’m getting the same results with my Vulcan as KY, 54 shots then falls off the reg.  Below is a link to a post I did on Airgunnation recently on accuracy from 100 yds.

    http://airgunnation.dev/topic/vulcan-100-yds-amazed-me-today/

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    Beach-gunner
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    Hey Daxx….who did you get the LDC from?

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    Daxx
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    Beach-gunnerHey Daxx….who did you get the LDC from?

    Carbon fiber LDC from Donny Du

    And you will need a shroud adapter from John Hagan to attach the LDC.

    I like the extra length on the Vulcan, it looks mean!

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    scubajeeper
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    How much did the LDC help in reducing the bark? It looks great on there by the way!
     

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    Hepotter
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    “scubajeeper”How much did the LDC help in reducing the bark? It looks great on there by the way!

     


    It eliminates the muzzle discharge entirely.  The loudest sound is the hammer spring “ping” and that’s just because your ear is resting on it.

    My need for “quiet” is serious.  I have no problems now with Hagan’s adapter and the carbon fiber ldc.   Donny Du, or Neil Clague would be the way to go in that department.

    I added vent holes in the rear of my shroud, and it helped reduce muzzle noise when not using an ldc,  After talking to Evgeny, I’m going one step further, and will post results when I’m done modifying and testing in a few weeks.

    Here is a picture of the Vulcan.  Note the vent holes near the breech end of the shroud.  1.5 mm diameter, eight in number.

    Stay tuned. My next mod might be the answer to those who want “neighbor friendly” without adding a modifier to the Vulcan .25….

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    arod2000
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    “KYAirgunner”

    “arod2000”

    “KYAirgunner”I have a Vulcan …

    Had better shot count

     

    
I’m not sure this is accurate information. I’ve read the of Vulcan getting 45-55 shots before dropping off. I know the two times I did a shot string on my WC it got 52 and 55 shots before dropping off. I suspect they get about the same number of shots per fill. The Vulcan is a slightly more powerful gun as it shoots 920-925fps and the WC is at 910-915fps so I might suspect the Vulcan to get less shots. Regardless, they’re in the exact same range for shot count. 

    
Arod, is your WC a .22 or a .25 I forgot to mention mine was a .25 from what I saw on the WC .25 people were saying it was getting around 40 to 45 shots but I could be wrong. Im getting about 6 nine shot mags off before refilling that is 54 shots.

    
Well this thread is about the .25 so yes, my gun is the .25 and it gets the same shot count as your Vulcan. 

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    arod2000
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    All this talk about noise and moderators….does the Vulcan barrel end a few inches before the end of the shroud and therefore have a built in moderator like the WC? My WC is super quiet from factory. 

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    Ginuwine1969
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    Quiet is very subjective, in comparison to a hand gun all airguns are quiet; but in comparison to a mouse fart……..is you’re gun quiet?  Readers want to know, how are you taming the beast.

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    Hepotter
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    “Ginuwine1969”Quiet is very subjective, in comparison to a hand gun all airguns are quiet; but in comparison to a mouse fart……..is you’re gun quiet?  Readers want to know, how are you taming the beast.

    Evgeny had to make decisions when he designed the Vulcan.  He knew from experience he couldn’t please everyone’s needs.  He chose light weight, compactness, accuracy, and innovative new features, for his Vulcan.  “Quiet” was a compromise he had to make to permit other features in a .25 caliber.  The Vulcan .22 is very quiet.  The .25 is louder.  Most hobbyists prefer accuracy and shot count over silence.

    The Vulcan’s shroud has two screws 4.25″ from the end cap of the Vulcan muzzle.  Those two hex screws hold the threaded adapter that screws onto the end of the barrel.   4.25″ is a very short moderator for a .25 caliber.

    By Adding eight vent holes at the base of the shroud, I experienced a noticeable reduction in discharge decibels.  It helped, but it didn’t get the gun down to “neighbor friendly”.    

    To completely silence the Vulcan .25, I added a screw-on moderator to the shroud. That increased the length of the Vulcan by six inches.  My need for silence was satisfied at the cost of compactness.

    If a Vulcan owner examines the baffles in the shroud, it will noted each baffle has long sides, a hole in either side, and O-rings above and below the side holes.  The Colibri, one of the quietest pcp’s I ever owned, has a similar design.  The Colibri had small vent holes along each side of the shroud, where the baffle side holes were located.  It occurred to me that adding side vents, in addition to the rear vents, would further reduce the discharge sound to acceptable levels.

    This is my next modification, and it must be done very carefully.  Drilling vents holes in a circle is not too difficult if one is careful.  Do less than this and the shroud looks “cobbled” or less than attractive as a result.  As one reader so humorously put it “It looks like detritus on an albino equine!!!”  This is especially true for the horizontal vents.

    What I “hear” is not what everyone else “hears”.  Volume of sound perceived is dependent on pitch, actual decibels, duration, and each person’s individual ability to hear certain specific frequencies.  What we “hear” is very much an individual experience!

    My belief is, by artificially increasing the shroud/baffle capability through “venting” excess air pressure, I can get the .25 Vulcan’s discharge sound down to “neighbor friendly”, or even “neighbor unnoticeable”.

    I will advise you of my results. 

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    arod2000
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    “Hepotte”The Vulcan’s shroud has two screws 4.25″ from the end cap of the Vulcan muzzle.  Those two hex screws hold the threaded adapter that screws onto the end of the barrel.   4.25″ is a very short moderator for a .25 caliber.

     

    
I’m not following what you’re explaining. Do you know if the barrel ends before the end of the shroud or does it end with the end of the shroud? 

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    scubajeeper
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    If I’m reading it right, there are 4 1/4 inches of baffles at the end of the shroud.

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    Hepotter
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    “scubajeeper”If I’m reading it right, there are 4 1/4 inches of baffles at the end of the shroud.

    
That is correct.  The barrel ends half way up the shroud.  The shroud actually screws onto threads on the end of the barrel.  If you want to know where the end of the barrel is, simply look half way down the shroud for the two hex screws in the side of the shroud.  That is where the barrel ends, where the shroud screws onto the barrel.  Those two screws simply hold the female threaded piece that holds the shroud onto the barrel.

    I hope this helps.

    Yes, the baffled end of the shroud is rather short.  This keeps the Vulcan short.  Historically, most individuals who worked on quietening pcp’s advised the ldc on the end needed to be at least 6.5″ long.  That length seems to have held true for the pressures that have been used in pcp airguns.  It always takes a given amount of “volume” in a shroud, along with baffles to slow the air down, to absorb all the pressure released when the gun is fired.  Lower/slow that released air pressure and you decrease the muzzle blast.  Slow it down enough, and give it room to expand and reduce it’s pressure, and the pcp can be made near silent.

     

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