UTG 3-12X44 mil dot

Question, I bought a one piece mount in addition to the scope package, The mounts are Leapers Accushot. I want to remove the scope stop on my Hartsan 95 so I can get more eye relief. is this advisable, or am I asking for problems. My other option would go with the UTG mount supplied with the scope. The reason I did not use those mounts is because its a 2 piece and read they can be problems. But I am new at all of this and this is why I am here asking
 
OK I will check out the mounts that were provided which were UTG Accushot 30mm. They look like they will fit, but I will get back to you guys. As always I appreciate the help. The model # on the scope rings are RGPM2PA-30H4. I will remove the one piece and try these. I will get back to you guys. All I know is the scope that came with the Hatsan 95 my pellets were all over the place. I do hope that this scope will change that, if not it will be sent back or use it as a door stop and then look into a PCP rifle. Maybe i am not cut out for these springers, all this talk about artillery hold etc. Gets a guy scratching his head. Joe you would think that with 4 screws to hold a mount that it would not move. These rings that came with the UTG scope have thumb screws for the base. Numbers on the scope are SCP3-UM312AOIEW.. Mil Dot 3-12X44. 
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Here is the link to the scope I bought: http://www.airgundepot.com/utg-3-12x44ao-swat-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-illuminated-mil-dot-reticle.html
 
I remounted the scope using the one piece. I was able to bottom out the rail on top . It should act as a stop since there is not more grove for the rail to slide on. I also see there is a screw on the base to crack down to prevent the scope from moving. Let me know what you guys think. Time to watch Bellator MMA which I taped last night.. Stay tuned and I will tell you how this new scope is working out
 
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On the mounts, I have never seen nor would I trust thumb screw bases. I use SportsMatch bases for all my 11mm Dovetail mounts. They are steel and amazingly solid using 2 screws per base, 4 per ring-to-scope. I use steel Warne rings for any Weaver rails. Never overtighten rings to the scope. I use the short handle of the wrench not the long handle. Rings over-torqued will possibly warp a tube. Tighten base screws first then tighten the top side screws opposite the base side screws going in an X pattern. Like that when you tighten lug nuts when changing a tire. I do all this after I have lined up the crosshairs with a plumb-bob 10 yards out to make sure scope isnt cannted/tilting to one side.

You may be shooting pellets the H95 hates. Use soft lead JSB brand first, round nose dome diablo skirt and see how that does. Rest the springer on your hand on a bag on a steady, firm bench or table.

Dont get over worked and try to force the rifle to do perfect, just let it show you what pellets work best. Clean the barrel gently, check for burrs in breech. Is the rifle barrel locking well or is there play? Break barrels change the relationship between the scope and muzzle everytime (in theory) you cock it. Under or side levers obviously dont.

PCP's are just more accurate by design as the moving parts are just a hammerspring, shear, trigger and other small parts. Springers have actual pistons and valves and much larger springs that shift and jolt before the pellet has left the barrel. Good luck!
 
I understand what you are telling me.When the scope was taken off for me to try the 2 piece mount I was able to remove the stop on the receiver. The mount has a screw you can tighten down for it not to move. Also I ran out of groove and that should help the scope from moving. I did what you said about tightening, I appreciate the advice, it worked cleaned and now it will be time to shoot soon. I was scratching my head as the scope was out of focus so I moved the focus know and it maxed out and I still could not see clearly. Then I found out it is my glasses I wear. I have variable lens and I need to move my glasses all the way up to the top of my head, not good. So now I will be buying a pair of glasses that is fixed in strength so I can see clearly. I was just happy it was not the scopes fault. Funny you mentioned the pellets as last night I ordered those in a 18gr. From the reads it seems the 95 likes that pellet, so I will be getting those delivered soon. I have several different brands already. Like I said, it seems this hobby can turn into a sickness. Just as long as I am able to make a squirrel head shot at 25 yards I will be happy and I will look no further into buying another rifle so quickly. I do like the challenge. Good idea on the plumb-bob. I will check my profile now to make sure my email is spelled correctly.
 
Good glad you are making progress. I use my bench rest to keep the rifle steady and I put a level on it. The level is actually meant to be used by itself to level the crosshairs as it has wings that come out with black bars. One is supposed to see the bars and glance into the scope and look at the horizontal crosshair against these reference bars. I find it not easy to do. So I use it as a level to tell me when the rifle is true in the benchrest (it uses any machined flat part of the rifle). Then I look at my colored red string that is holding the plumb. I just laydown with the scope loose in the mounts and keep adjusting until I cant see but one crosshair because they are correctly aligned. ☺

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A lot of the fun with shooting springers is conquering them. There is a lot to learn from valuable advice on forums such as this. That said, nothing beats learning the hard way, like a lot of people say you're got to earn it.
​ On your Hatsan 95 I shot a tin of 500 pellets to let the gun smooth out and then cleaned the barrel really well before scoping. Makes everything easier.
 
Greetings y'll, my first post here since I bought a UTG 3-12x44 mildot a while back and found that it would focus sharply no closer than 12 yards at 12x and it was sent in to Leapers customer "non-support" to be exchanged for one that would function as advertized. According to Leapers "expert tech support" the scope was returned with a note stating that the scope was functioning correctly. After the Leapers "non-support" I returned the scope to the vendor and exchanged it for a UTG 3-12x44 Mildot Compact Swat scope which is now mounted on my HW95. Initially I had some "wandering group issues" with the short UTG but just as I was about to give up on the scope I found that if I mechanically centered the reticle by setting the turrets at the center of their travel and then bend the HW95 barrel to accommodate the scope has been very solid for hundreds of shots since. 

A few personal opinion comments.........
"The mounts are Leapers Accushot."
I'm also using a cheap UTG one piece mount because the "ears" of my one piece BKL mount are wide enough to interfere with the 80mm side wheel mounted to the scope and it works fine.

"I want to remove the scope stop on my Hartsan 95 so I can get more eye relief. is this advisable, or am I asking for problems."
Yep....you'll definitely have problems because even the recoil of my HW95 detuned to 13fpe has enough recoil to casue the scope/mount to shift enough so the stop pin deforms the stop pin hole. I did do an expreiment with my one piece UTG mount for use without a stop pin (for reasons similar to yours) by drilling and tapping two extra base screw bolt holes. This mount/scope set in degreased scope dovetails and with each of the 5 base screws torqued to 40 in/lbs (5in/lbs over recommended max) has indeed been stable for hundreds of shots, but then my well tuned HW95 at 13fps isn't a Hatsan!

"My other option would go with the UTG mount supplied with the scope."
Keep in mind that the supplied mount is for a Weaver style rail. If your gun has a dovetail scope rail then you'll also need an adapter. I personally prefer a one piece mount for mounting my scope on a steel receiver. The reason is that there is a difference in expansion between a steel receiver and an aluminum scope tube so the scope tube will be stressed in different directions if the two piece mounts are pulled/pushed by differences in thermal expansion with temperature changes during the day. Since the UTG one piece mount is also made of aluminum alloy the mount will expand at the same rate as the scope tube and the expansion differential will take place between the steel receiver and the aluminium mount, not at the rings clamped to the scope tube. I know nothing about the Hatsan but if it uses a bolt on pot metal scope rail then this may not be an issue at all.

"The reason I did not use those mounts is because its a 2 piece and read they can be problems."
Well....there may be problems (one which I noted) but I used two piece mounts for years before switching to the one piece offerings. One of the concerns with the two piece mount is that each base is acting independently attaching the scope to the receiver at two distinct points. Because of this "feature" if the front mount is shifting (no stop pin here) and the rear mount is restrained by the stop pin, where do you think the stress between the shifting and non shifting mounts is concentrated???....yep, in the scope tube. With the one piece mount the whole assembly moves as a unit.

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Yep, been bending my HW barrels for years! The purpose of having the reticle close to mechanical center when the gun is zero'd is to put roughly equal stress on the erector springs so the erector assembly doesn't tend to "flop around" with piston gun recoil. This "flopping around" due to a lot of erector spring tension on one side and little tension on the other side can even end up thrashing the scope internally.

Anywhoo.......I've always first mechanically centered my scope (actually, most come from the factory mechanically centered), mount the scope, then adjust the poi on my practice lane by bending the barrel till the poi is within about an inch of the aiming point at 30 yards, finally the fine adjustments are done with the turrets. 

Barrel bending tools..........
A forked tree on my practice lane..........

This works great for adding snoop and windage.

My home made barrel tweaker which can be used to introduce bend in any direction..........



As a side note, adding enough bend to a HW95 barrel to move the poi 6" at 30 yards can't even be seen with the eye!
 
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That is very interesting. How can you tell if you need to bend the barrel. I am a Union industrial electrician and retired now. I have a full set of pipe benders here at the house . They are used to bend conduit. I wonder if they will work. I would never try this myself on a brand new rifle. I know from reading your reply's that you know your stuff and I enjoyed reading your comments. When I get such good info like what you wrote to me already I usually print it out and save that info to my binder or I will keep it in my document file on the computer. Do all barrels need to be bent and how do you know if it needs to be bent. Like I mentioned I would not try this on my new rifle until I am into this fine hobby. 
I am thinking of selling some of my regular firearms and step up from the Marauder. She came yesterday and I can tell you it makes you look like a real shooter. I could not beleive how well this rifle shoots and I surprised myself as I am not expert Rifleman. But yesterday proved that wrong. I was shooting out to 20 yards first and then to 35 yards. I am confident that I can make a head shot on any of my pest here in my yard. 
I also went out and did some measurements and I can shoot out to 75 yards in the back.
I need to read up on what is the best distance to sight in your scope. I also am reading about which way to go for a step up PCP rifle. I like to control my pest around here and I enjoy shooting targets. Any recommendation coming from you is appreciated. I have to look up the model number of one I am studying, let me know what you think, it will be another 22cal.. Right now I am like a sponge trying to get all the info I can so I will have no regrets down the road. I am sure most of the guys on here understands This forum saved me lots of money by suggesting certain items and certain skills to use. like what you sent answering my post. That was some great info.. I will shoot you a PM with my email . Thank You for reaching out and taking your time....Pete (airborne)
 
"How can you tell if you need to bend the barrel."
Easy, optically center the reticle, go to your shooting lane, aim at the bull at your zero distance, shoot a few pellets. If the pellets don't hit the point of aim then there are several methods of adjustment.
1. Simply click the turrets to move the poi to the aim point without messing with anything. If the poi with the optically centered reticle isn't more than a few inches off then the "twist the dials" will most likely be just fine as long as the adjustments aren't near "any extreme side"

2. Buy an adjustable scope mount and adjust the position of the mounted scope (a popular choice).

3. Simply bend the barrel as necassary which I do.

"full set of pipe benders here at the house"
Sounds like a recipe for destroying a good barrel with this one. The amount of bending required to move the poi a few inches at 30 yards is so minor that I can only judge the amount of bend by shooting pellets. When the pellets are landing within 1" of the aim point at 30 yards (I usually strive for 1/2" max), I then go to the turrets. My "barrel tweaker" is designed to fit at roughly the same position on the barrel with a Delrin shoe to prevent marring the bluing of the gun. The bender with Delrin shoe in the modified 1/2"-13 eye bolt can be rotated 180 degrees and re-adjusted just in case the barrel is "over bent" on a certain direction and the fact that the "shoe" is always at the same relative position along the barrel means that I'm not adding "extra bends" to my nice HW barrel. Another function of the Delrin shoe is to spread out the clamping pressure at the eyebolt so any bend is gradual and not a kink. 

By the way.....I'm pretty "PCP ignorant" but since a PCP wouldn't thrash a scope like a piston gun I really don't know if it would matter that the erector springs of the scope are "stretched to one side".......I don't see PCP recoil causing the erector assembly to "hop around". 

P.S. Use due dillegence and don't automatically believe everything you see posted on the forums, and that includes my "pontificating"!