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Update on the Daystate Wolverine moderators

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    Springrrrr
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    O.K. folks, I am back with more information I just got from Airguns of Arizona.
    As you may have read in previous posts, my Wolverine “R” came through with no Huggett moderator supplied.  I got a call from AOA today explaining what happened and why.  It all makes perfect sense now.  Here goes.
    They attempted to buy the Huggett moderators separate from the guns. The moderators were shipped separately in this case.  It was their first shipment of these new rifles.  The guns had no moderator on them. It was supposed to be added and it would have been if the moderator shipment wasn’t stopped by customs.
    It was felt, by customs, that these items could be used on guns other than air guns and thus tax stamps and FFL paperwork was called for.  The Huggett shipment was sent packing, back from whence it cometh.
    Therefore, the first guns were sent out without any moderators because they just didn’t have them to screw on.
    My kudos to AOA for calling me to let me know what happened.  They are going to cover me when they receive a new shipment with the entire shroud and moderator intact.  It appears that configuration is O.K. with customs.
    So for all that have eyes on this fine rifle, a bit of patience will get you one as shown on the AOA’s website picture.  Hang in there, you will not be disappointed.
     

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    Maineiac
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    That’s interesting. I wonder how they get a shipment of Huggett moderators through customs normally? They still sell them for guns that don’t come with one equipped from the factory.

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    Springrrrr
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    I recently searched on the site, I did not fine anything for selling a modulator separately.  It appears if the modulator is attached to a complete shroud, customs passes it through.

    AOA does not want to make any waves and get the wrong people involved in air gun legislation and nether should we.

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    Panzer
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    I just spoke to AofA this morning and verified this information, they told me that I could have an in stock wolverine R for 100 bucks off or wait just a bit longer and get the factory Huggett installed model in walnut .177, I will wait, good man that Kip!

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    Springrrrr
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    You will absolutely love the gun.  Another tid-bit of information too.  They are going to post a video, in the near future, on how to change the cocking lever from factory standard right to the left side.  It is not as easy as a few screws out and back in.

    Here is a group I shot this morning with no wind using H&N Barracuda 10.5 177 grain pellets.  I did some refreshing work on my TX200 and the old girl held her own.  All shots at 40 yards even though the Daystate came in tighter with the 5, the spring gun has little to be embarrassed about.

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    allan_wind
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    Impressive shooting.  Especially that nail hole at 40 yards :0)

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    Panzer
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    I also have a dialed in tx200 in .22 that is a keeper and serves a certain purpose and that is the same reason I chose this this new wolverine, this is my retirement hobby and I do not feel like tuning one gun for multiple shooting activities, this to me would be like tuning an old carb. For different altitudes. I currently own a first generation wolverine which fits me like a glove & an FTP900 which does not balance out for myself at all and that to me is the bottom line – fit! (By the way the those two will be for sale) I am very much looking forward to future owners of this rifle feedback and the banter forthcoming!

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    Technoman
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    Thanks for the heads-up Springrrrr.  Sorry you had to deal with the political crap that seems to be excessive these days. I’ll be waiting for the with Huggett shipment at what is probably the price I expected to see. REALLY looking to adding this Wolverine R to my stable!
    Cheers 

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    Maineiac
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    “Springrrrr”I recently searched on the site, I did not fine anything for selling a modulator separately.  It appears if the modulator is attached to a complete shroud, customs passes it through.
    AOA does not want to make any waves and get the wrong people involved in air gun legislation and nether should we.

    
I can assure you that they do sell them separately because I bought a Huggett for my .22 Pulsar from them. They have indeed taken them off their website, and so has Utah Airguns and others which leads me to believe something may have changed with customs or the ATF recently because they were on the websites as recent as a couple months ago.

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    Springrrrr
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    “Maineiac”

    “Springrrrr”I recently searched on the site, I did not fine anything for selling a modulator separately.  It appears if the modulator is attached to a complete shroud, customs passes it through.
    AOA does not want to make any waves and get the wrong people involved in air gun legislation and nether should we.

    
I can assure you that they do sell them separately because I bought a Huggett for my .22 Pulsar from them. They have indeed taken them off their website, and so has Utah Airguns and others which leads me to believe something may have changed with customs or the ATF recently because they were on the websites as recent as a couple months ago.
     

    I hope they all take the rubber stamp picture down and replace it with one without the Huggett

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    LDP
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    Nothing has changed with the ATF the ATF still has nothing to do with airguns only firearms. If its not for a firearm then the ATF has nothing to say or do about it. I bet customs has become a problem with things and holding parts that they think look like firearms suppressors.

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    Hookster
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    I would not put much faith in the fact that Customs or ATF draw the line at “Firearms”. I was shooting a short barreled rifle a week ago that would accept my Huggett with ease. Doubt it would hold up to the cartridge but even if it reduces the report for one shot the ATF is interested. I’m still amazed at how this industry has flown under the BIG BROTHER radar this long with moderators.  If you want a removable moderator better buy one sooner then later. I doubt retailers will be allowing guns out the door without them permanently attached in the near future. Just my 2 cents. 

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    Springrrrr
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    And with all the hoopla about the big bores these days, we better be careful that all airguns don’t get reclassified.

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    LDP
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    “Hookster”I would not put much faith in the fact that Customs or ATF draw the line at “Firearms”. I was shooting a short barreled rifle a week ago that would accept my Huggett with ease. Doubt it would hold up to the cartridge but even if it reduces the report for one shot the ATF is interested. I’m still amazed at how this industry has flown under the BIG BROTHER radar this long with moderators.  If you want a removable moderator better buy one sooner then later. I doubt retailers will be allowing guns out the door without them permanently attached in the near future. Just my 2 cents. 

    
How is it that your firearm would accept a hugget with ease?

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    LDP – The 1/2 UNF threaded barrel it had. My point was not about thread count for moderators, in some states like mine Airguns over 600FPS are considered firearms for hunting.  So a removable moderator might raise an eyebrow on a Rabbit Cop wanting to push the issue. Using a silencer for hunting is illegal but the local Walmart sells all the usual suppressed guns without issue. The gun world is a whole other planet when you get out of the north eastern side of the United States.  If you want to grade me as a scaremonger so be it, i still believe the unregulated world of airguns in the USA will see a paradigm shift sooner than later. When states are passing laws to allow deer hunting etc how can you argue the ability and lethality of these guns? Do all states that allow deer hunting allow silencers too? If not how long before a DEM with an anti-gun agenda wakes up and pushes the issue?

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    LDP
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    lol I didnt say anything about scare mongering. I am willing to bet the firearm you referenced has a 1/2 x 28 tpi and that hugget has a 1/2 x 20 tpi. Theres no way that hugget will easily be put on that firearm and would require either an adapter or a modification to either the firearm or the hugget. The point being the law states in order to be considered a firearms suppressor it has to be able to be fit to the firearm without modification. That ruling is a very important one and its important because if the atf could arrest you for a suppressor that did not fit a firearm without being modified from its original design we would all be felons that owned suppressors due to the many bottles and pipes and other objects that could be modified to fit a firearm and reduce the report that can be found in every household at any time. My comment has nothing to due with labeling you or other people as fear mongers. My comment was made to point out the law and how it is applied.

    You are correct about states who recognize certain airguns as firearms and not being able to use a suppressor for hunting being illegal. The local laws at the state level have nothing to do with the federal laws which you referenced in your original post. If your state does not allow hunting with a suppressor and allows hunting with airguns I would imagine you would be breaking the states law by hunting with a suppressor on an airgun but again that has nothing to do with customs or the batf that you referenced. The batf does not care about suppressors on airguns they do not regulate airguns. The batf will only arrest someone on a suppressor charge if they own an airgun suppressor and an adapter to fit that airgun suppressor to a firearm. Its been debated over and over and there is already a case that went to the supreme court regarding suppressors and airgun suppressors and what defines a firearms suppressor. 

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