TX200 won't group

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    Lewis
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    I have a TX200 in .177 that is terribly inaccurate. I'm getting 5 inch groups at 15 yards! I thought I had a bad scope on it so I switched to a proven scope from another gun, no change. Barrel is clean and looks good. The shot cycle feels much rougher than the shot cycle on my other springers. I have tried many pellets and several holds including from bags. All internals are stock and look to be in good shape. I'm thinking about getting a 12 foot pound kit. My best guess is that the seals aren't sealing.

    Any ideas?

    What kit to go with and from where?

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    Lewis
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    FWIW I have another TX200 that shoots great!

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    TylerE.
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    Wow, that is terribly inaccurate. How new is it? Does it just need some breaking in? I found with mine that the pellet head size made a vast difference in how it groups. I bought a pellet gauge and sized up the different tins that I have and found the size that it likes best. Between different brands it will shoot very similar groups as long as the head size is the same. I had a gen 2 TX200 with a 12 ft lb Venom (now V-mach) tuning kit in it and that gun was awesome. Unfortunately, as is often the case, I sold it in search of the next one that might be just a little “better.” I have replaced it with a mark 3 TX200, but that mark 2 is the only gun, of many, that I regret having let go. Good luck in your quest for a solution. 

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    broachoski
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    That HARSH shot cycle leads me to think the main seal may not be doing its job and /or the breech seals may be leaking a lot. While apart, did you test the main seal by pressing it in while holding a finger over the breech to see if it seems to hold air well. Another thing to look at is when the gun is cocked, is there any forward/backward play between the compression tube and the barrel. This can be tested by using a finger or two on the compression tube and trying to slide it forward and backwards. If so then the breech seals need replacing. or the cocking shoe is worn and not holding the compression tube close enough to the barrel. If you need a set of 2 breech seals then shoot me a PM and I will send you some.for no charge. 

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    Hynzie
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    do u have a chronograph there are free ones on a cell phone i would start there,,its a old rifle?

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    KeithS
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    Try JSB 4.53's pellet on pellet in mine at 30 yards 

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    Lewis
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    Thanks for the replies. I will check the seals as suggested. I do have a chronograph, Ill check that too. The gun is an earlier mkIII. It has the stock before the fish scales. When I purchased it I was told it had very minimal use. It looks new and may well still need breaking in.

    I am considering a 12 ft lb kit and all new seals. I bought it with that in mind. 

    Any recommendations? 

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    broachoski
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    I have one of those older Mk II rifles also. It has a shorter 83-84mm stroke than the newer Mk III's that have 91mm stroke and is highly cherished. Due to age and neglect, mine had a totally shot main seal which is very common with standard AA seals. You can identify an OEM Mk II spring by its having 2 collapsed coils on one end. It also has a LONG steel tophat that can be replaced with one of delrin also.

    FYI, Air Arms only changed to 91mm stroke when they introduced the Mk III to allow more than 12 Ft # to compete with Weihrauch in the US market. 

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    Goodtogo
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    Mine has done that when the stock screws got loose. And if checking that be sure to check the front post that screws into the action and then one of the stock screws goes into it thru the stock.

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    Lewis
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    How can I tell if it is in fact a MKII or MKIII?

    All screws are firm.

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    broachoski
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    The Mk II has many evenly placed anti beartrap grooves on the compression tube where the Mk III only has 3 and the front 2 are close together and the third spaced a little further back….. Here's my MK II apart and a stock photo of a Mk III

     

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    Lewis
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    That would make mine a MKII. 

     

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    spysir
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    I have onl;y seen one thing cause groups like that in a TX ( naturally your results will vary) .

    The nut that holds the barrel loosened.

    AA had an entire batch come through a number of years ago , 1st of the fishscale I believe but no matter, with poor qc loc-tite on that nut,  it may be a pain  but well worth checking if nothing else stands out.

     

    John

     

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    broachoski
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    I also found another air leak problem over on airrifle.co.za where the Oring on the comp tube had deteriorated. causing poor accuracy.

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    Windmill01
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    Lewis did you fix the accuracy problem with your MK11?

    Gary

     

     

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    broachoski

    That HARSH shot cycle leads me to think the main seal may not be doing its job and /or the breech seals may be leaking a lot. While apart, did you test the main seal by pressing it in while holding a finger over the breech to see if it seems to hold air well. Another thing to look at is when the gun is cocked, is there any forward/backward play between the compression tube and the barrel. This can be tested by using a finger or two on the compression tube and trying to slide it forward and backwards. If so then the breech seals need replacing. or the cocking shoe is worn and not holding the compression tube close enough to the barrel. If you need a set of 2 breech seals then shoot me a PM and I will send you some.for no charge. 

    what he said

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    Lewis
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    I have ordered new seals and a vortek 12 ft-lb kit. I will Chrony before and after and report back here.

     

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    Lewis
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    New parts are supposed to arrive tomorrow. I hope to see if I can get to the bottom of this over the weekend.

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    Lewis
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    Okay, so I broke out the "lie detector" today.

    Suspecting seals I conducted the tests with a fairly heavy pellet to provide some dampening.

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    With the 10.34's averaging 384 fps for 3.39 ft-lb.

    Well THERE'S your problem!

    Tomorrow I'll get it apart and see what's causing all the fuss.

    I have a 12 ft-lb Vortek kit, barrel seals and an additional new factory style piston seal.

     

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    Lewis
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    Got it disassembled today.

    This ain't right.

    Debris in the chamber.

    Center tube broken off from the base washer.

    Out with the old, in with the new.

    Polished the compression tube while I had it out and radiused the safety button.

    New numbers.

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    That's more like it!

    10.71 ft-lb with none of the washers added.

    Also happy to report accuracy has returned!!

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