Triggers: Brocock concept lite/Bantam sniper vs Weihrauch HW100 Bullpup standard

I hope this helps, I'm not sure if it does, but I at least wanted to offer it up.

I've owned a Brocock Commander Hi-Lite in .22 before I sold it. I sold it because I also own a Brocock Concept Lite (not XR) in .22. The trigger on both are the same. Matter of fact, I suspect all the Brococks share a common trigger mechanism. It is stiff but it is not terrible if you know to index your trigger finger properly on the cusp/edge of the trigger.

I have shot my father's Daystate Pulsar. The trigger is surprising. I am surprised everytime it fires, I cannot stage the trigger nor feel any mechanical resistance.

I have shot my father's BSA R10 SE and the trigger is what I would describe as two stage from a feeling aspect. I can feel the first mechanical detent which is quite soft followed by the minute amount of resistence prior to the shot.

I owned a Gamo Urban before I chased perfection and destroyed it installing at Altaros regulator. I would describe it as consistent mechanical resistence until a brief increase in resistence and firing.

Again, I am not sure if any of this helped, but if you have shot any of these rifles above I hope it helps describe the Concept Lite. Thank you.

HW100 BULLPUP HAS THE BEST TRIGGER OUT OF THEM NO QUESTION.

From a feeling and perception aspect, it would be the Pulsar because from start to finish to fire there is no perception of resistence. I hate to use PB terms but bear with me -- I would describe the Brocock's I owned as being like handling a S&W revolver with the hammer thumbed back. The trigger wants to resist just a bit but when you've depressed the trigger with intent it goes off. I would describe the Urban more like a Keltec P-32 Gen 1, long play, some resistence, and then it goes of DAO. The BSA R10 SE I'd describe more like ... a good black powder long rifle. You can ease into the trigger and then off it goes.

Brocock's trigger reminds me more of my Rock River Arms LAR-15. It snaps/breaks quickly but you have some initial resistence before the snap. To me, there isn't any travel in the Brocock triggers they just lightly travel until it snaps and the pellet goes down range.

Apologies for using PB terms especially if it doesn't make sense but I'm trying to convey tactile feeling using words and allusions only.

I own more than a dozen Brocock's and HW100 rifles and bullpups. Brococks do not have match triggers but hunting sporter triggers.

Daystate Redwolfs Airwolfs Pulsars and Renegades have night and day better electronic triggers than the HW100 and can be adjusted any way you want. When adjusted properly you will probably never want to shoot any other non Daystate electronic trigger again if you are a real trigger snob because It feels better than the expensive 10 meter match and field target guns when properly adjusted and can be set to Hunter style if that's too light for you.

I own more than a dozen Brocock's and HW100 rifles and bullpups. Brococks do not have match triggers but hunting sporter triggers.

Daystate Redwolfs Airwolfs Pulsars and Renegades have night and day better electronic triggers than the HW100 and can be adjusted any way you want. When adjusted properly you will probably never want to shoot any other non Daystate electronic trigger again if you are a real trigger snob because It feels better than the expensive 10 meter match and field target guns when properly adjusted and can be set to Hunter style if that's too light for you.

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Why would you need a dozen? Have you thought of getting a business license and a business card so that you can buy wholesale? It would be cheaper than buying used from members and new from companies? Same goes for scopes and ammo. I know you recently bought 12k in scopes, so I think you could save a lot on just day to day purchases.

Its for personal collection only. No resale so how would I go about getting a license?

How do you figure on 12k worth of scopes? That was only one order worth not counting 3 others.

I purchase multiples of what I end up liking since no 2 are the same and strive to get That lucky 1/4" grouping one or better at 50 yards which around 95% won't do. If you ever owned 20 of one gun in the same caliber you will know exactly what I mean.This is the reason until I find that special one then I stop buying that particular gun in that caliber unless it's used from a seller would guarantee the accuracy.

I have a recently acquired HW100 Laminate Carbine and a Daystate Pulsar. The HW100 has an excellent, crisp, distinct 2 stage trigger. Hard to beat in any gun. The Pulsar is better. Apparently, as stated above, if properly adjusted the Pulsar trigger can be whatever you like. Mine has a distinct, but very light, second stage as set. I have no difficulty feeling it but the break is as crisp and light as could be desired. When I first shot the Pulsar, I could feel a slight drag IF I pulled the trigger blade slightly to the right. The physical blade fit in the housing was very tight and apparently it could shift just enough to drag slightly if pulled to the right at all. There was no drag if pulled to the left (or straight back). A little polishing on the side of the blade relieved ALL felt drag.

I own more than a dozen Brocock's and HW100 rifles and bullpups. Brococks do not have match triggers but hunting sporter triggers.

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Thanks for your input, LMNOP. 

Would love to hear more from others with experience. What is the lowest pull weight trigger have you seen with these rifles/triggers? 

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I can't share any firsthand experience with the others, but I did some trigger work on the Concept Lite XR that I'm reviewing right now. Details here:

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/brocock-concept-lite-xr-177/page/2/#post-769211

I think it started around 2lbs 15oz and after some careful stoning of the sear/contact points, I got it down to a pretty consistent 0lb, 7oz. Much better. 

Not a preference but a FACT that there's absolutely no comparison between those triggers HW vs Brocock. If trigger is most important to you then the Brocock's definitely ain't it.

AR stock get a RAW Modular has like a Marauder trigger then just buy earplugs because they're naturally loud.

Go cheap a Benjamin Armada has Marauder TRIGGER and better than the Brocock trigger but accuracy questionable but you can keep exchanging barrels with Crosman under warranty till you get one that's accurate enough for you.

If you find anyone telling you their Brocock has a match trigger they are lying.

I recently bought a Brocock Commander justvfir the cool as he'll tactical AR side folding stock just for the compactness and I already knew the trigger was like my other Brocock's. Not real crappy once adjusted correctly but not in the same league as a HW100 or Marauder.

I would go with the consensus that the HW100 has the better trigger. That said I’ve shot many dime size groups at 40, 50, and 60 yards with my Bantam Sniper HR .22. The gun is consistently accurate my best 5 shot group at 100 yards was 1”. My gun is definitely a good shooter. And the AR-like handling is a big plus in my book. Very easy to tote and manipulate in the field. Check out some of my posts, shooting 4 to 8 consecutive 5 shot groups. I can only imagine how much better the accuracy would be with a match trigger.

Weichrauch 100% better. 

I've had both the HW100 and the Bantam Sniper. From the looks of the manual pictures online, the HW100 BP appears to share the same trigger group as the standard rifle, with the modification of a forward actuating rod. If so, the Weihrauch trigger is a far better trigger, an actual two-stage trigger that is fully adjustable. Mine is set to release at around 6 ounces, with roughly half at the first stage stop. The Brocock trigger can be adjusted to feel decent, and I think you can get it under one pound. The problem is, the adjustment that Brocock calls the second stage adjustment, is really an engagement adjustment, not the spring pressure. So, yes, you can get it lighter by making the engagement thinner, but at some point that becomes a safety issue. I would consider the Brocock as an acceptable field trigger, but it does not approach the Weihrauch in its design or function.

Regarding the Daystate electronic triggers, yes they are nice, but different. I have a Red Wolf and like it very much. The trigger is currently set up as a 3 ounce single stage for bench use. What must be remembered with the electronic triggers, they are activated by pressure, not movement. You can make it as light as you want, but you will never have the crisp break of a first class match trigger, because there is no break, just pressure. I know this sounds like an immaterial difference, but it's not, if you are used to a high quality true match grade trigger..

Hopefully next week my Crown Continuum comes in, and so it will be interesting to compare the Brocock trigger to the Crown, which I hear is excellent.

I currently own both the Brocock Sniper HP(not the new xr model) and the HW100. As most have stated, the HW100 trigger is superior. It feels wonderful to me straight out of the box. I adjusted my sniper trigger to the point of not being able to engage the sear and it's still nowhere near the HW100. It's still a very acceptable sporter trigger and I am able to shoot some great groups from a bench with it. It just requires more concentration to pull the weight of the trigger without pulling the shot.

Both guns are well made and I don't think you could go wrong which ever one you choose. 

Two gentlemen have recently posted how they got their Brocock triggers to 6 ounces...