Tominco's FX Streamline

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"tiptop"Tom - By looking at closeup photos of the Streamline and Royale 400 the shapes of the receiver/exterior of the action is different. I'm wondering if that's just cosmetic or is the Royale substantially different or better quality than the Streamline? What I'm trying to ask is are they essentially the same gun with a different stock and pressure tube/bottle made to capture a different segment of the market? Maybe there's less profit margin on the Streamline but they hope to make that up in volume. You've compared the AA to the Streamline - how does the Streamline compare to the Royale? The CF bottle is one obvious reason for the higher price, but are there others that you can identify?
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@tiptop - The royale action block is different from the Streamline. The Streamline's is quite a bit shorter from the dovetail down to the bottom and there are some other shaping aspects that the Royale does not have. However, the similarities between the two are obvious. I think they basically took the guts of the Royale and put them into a smaller block. The Royale also has a nicer, more comfortable, less generic, thumbhole stock (+$). The Royale comes with a much longer moderator that has custom made parts (+$). The Royale has a removable bottle which adds more parts to the buildup (+$). CF bottle, most likely outsourced (+$). Like I mentioned above, cutting out the stock for the gauge and foster fitting (+$). These little things can add up pretty quickly. Other than that there's not much more I can say about Streamline vs 400 then what I've already mentioned. 
Tom
 
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@Tomino
Thanks for interesting comparison of Air Arms S510 and FX Streamline. I don't have a Streamline, but do own an Ultimate Sporter in .177 with Q-tech moderator that has the same action and barrel as an S510. I can only say that you must have a bad copy of an S510 when you call the action "gritty". Mine is like butter with a .177 pellet and AA s are know for their smooth action. The Q-tech moderator makes the AA an extremely quite AG by any measure. You present the Streamline as an S510 killer. I Don't think so. The build quality is to high with Air Arms, and they have stood the test of time without leaking and quality control issues. Simply put the S510 is an accurate, elegant, classic PCP air rifle that with the Ultimate Sporter stock will fit you like no other AG. Latest/greatest is very attractive in the airgun world, and I applaud FX for making what seems to be a nice $1000 price point AG in the Streamline. Only time will tell. Tomino thanks for your time and effort in your review, however I may disagree with your comparison.
 
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@Kev, thanks for your input!
I didn't mean to beat up on the AA-S510 and I'm sorry if it sounded that way. That old S510 of mine has outshot many many rifles that cost much more than it did. That's why it's still in my collection after all this time - It goes up on the "for sale block" with another rifle, outshoots it, goes back in its case, the other rifle gets sold. lol! It has always been a tried and true solid rifle. Maybe mine feels so gritty because it's so old and used? Could be. 
Actually, you just got me thinking about it a little. I think the O-rings were changed on the magazines and they might be a little smaller than OEM. That would give the pellet a little extra resistance on the way out, which is what I'm feeling. I'll call PA and get some new O-rings then update any changes I need to make to what I said above. 
Kev "Simply put the S510 is an accurate, elegant, classic PCP air rifle that with the Ultimate Sporter stock will fit you like no other AG." I haven't experienced the ultimate sporter stock but, I agree with the rest and have always thought the S-510 is one of those rifles that does not get enough credit. :) 
​Tom
 
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I got the shroud extensions today. 
Yes, they make a difference. No, it's not as quiet as it is with a Hugget (no surprise there). I'll post up a video when I get time but, it basically boils down to this...
"POW" without any moderator.
"CrAck" with what's provided.
Add 1 extension = "FKSs", borderline backyard friendly .
Add 2 extensions = "TSsK", backyard friendly. 
Each piece adds ~7/8"
I've seen these extensions before but, I forget what model they come on. They do have a baffle built in to each piece. 

~ 42.5" 

 
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Excellent post Tominco!
I just got the FX Streamline in .25 Laminate. I have now shot about 400 rounds of JSB super heavy 34 grains. (I did shoot some 25 grains as well but not enough to form a solid opinion.) My rifle came with no pamphlet whatsoever. There was just a generic brochure from AOA. So I had no idea how to adjust the hammer spring. My first impression of this gun was very favorable. Real solid construction and tight fit at all places. The Italian Minnelli stock is very nice. Trigger is excellent; a little bit better than the AAs510 (which is ever so creepy but still good).
My first impression upon shooting was is that was it was crazy fast on power three. I didn't have a chrony set up, but just from experience at shooting the Mrod, with which I am very used to by now at 50 yards, I could tell it was somewhat north of 950- and it did bark. Groups were good at 50 on power level two, 3/4" or so. On power level three they were pretty erratic. At 85 yards, a range I like on my sizable lot, they were all over the place. I mean 5 and 6 inches. After 30 shots , I noticed a decided TWANG that was not present on the first 30 or so. Since the pressure is regulated and should be consistent up to about 45 shots (from what I hear), I couldn't quite figure that one out! I don't think it is a defect, just an oddity I guess. I think I am burning up too much air on power 3. I want to get to the velocity you mention, just a little under 900.
Did you get an instruction sheet? Is the hammer tension spring the only adjustment? The Mrod has a hammer travel as well as you are probably aware. I know I will have to play around myself with the Chrony, but about how far did you take the screw out (out I assume?) to come down to the point you are now at? 
I think it is going to be better as things settle down and especially if the velocity comes down as you so well described! I love the shot count on power one; it's great for close to about 100 shots. Real sweet for shooting around 20 to 30 yds. And just in passing it is set up with a 30mm Aeon scope with half mil increments.
Yours is a lovely gun by the way; you must have had to slip and extra fifty bucks for that walnut ! But I really like the laminate stock and it'll never warp.
Don Galfur
 
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Don, 
Thanks for the compliment! Did you happen to look under the box foam? It might be there. 
Here's a schematic.
The Streamline is based off the Royale. So there no great need for a specific manual.
Here's the generic manual.
The Laminate stocks really look good! You should see my Streamline stock these days, it's really getting a great shine! 
The hammer spring adjustment and power wheel are the only easy adjustments. You'd have to dig a little deeper to get to the regulator (Something I have not done). It does sound like you're shooting too hot. At those speeds, the pellets can de-stabilize. When you go in for the hammer spring adjustment, consider bringing a little heat with you to break the lock-tite if it's overly tight. Also, don't forget to add a little lock-tite once you find your setting. Oddly, I took mine out quite a few rotations and then ended up screwing it right back in. I think the spring may not have been settled. So, check your fps periodically after you make an adjustment. 
Tom
Due to stock finishing process, I haven't shot mine in weeks! But, it's going to be really nice when it's done. It's a temporary addition to my collection and has been a joy to have. 
 
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My walnut .22 Streamline was shooting too hot in factory trim also. I turned down the hammer spring tension a bit to lower my speed to around 890 shooting CHP. As Tominco stated, you need to heat the adjuster before you try to adjust it. Mine had a LOT of loctite or whatever they use to lock down the setting. IMHO, a little bit of blue loctite would have been better. I have experimented with adjusting the regulator down just a bit, I do not have a regulator pressure tester. My gun seems to start that loud ping sound when it falls off the reg. This is my first regulated gun so perhaps this is normal or common on regulated guns. Regardless, I notice the ping sound correlate directly with where my regulator is set. I also noticed my regulator did not have a full stack of belleville washers, like every other one I have seen on the internet. They were arranged correctly, but one washer was missing? Maybe this was intentional on FX's part, I dont know?
 
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Thanks Tominco and Rossum
The schematic is a help. I see now what trigger adjustments can be made. I had just passed over that part when I saw that it was not for the streamline alone but see now they are essentially the same.
As to applying heat at the hammer adjustment nut, would that best be done with a clean tipped solder iron? Seems to me it would do the trick. Even a fine pencil tip flame might be chancy. The twang on mine started right around 150 lbs which I thought probably was the reg setting, but somewhere I picked up 130 was about the setting. I don't think I'll mess with that but just try to lower the hammer force and see how it goes from there. That should get it to about 45 shots on power three.
I just joined the Forum today in my search for info so I got lucky with you guys! I'll post how things go.
Wonderful wood work but I don't know quite what to think of a guy whose deck railing looks almost as good as his guns stocks.
Don
 
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Welcome to the forum! You'll find more knowledge with the members here than you'd ever dream of! 
Don't for get about the little accuracy buttons. ;) 

I did not need the heat on mine but, I would try the soldering iron idea. Maybe warm the area with a hair dryer and then hit it with the soldering iron?
I'll pass on the deck compliment, that's my Dad's work. I'm no slouch with the woodworking but, I tend to make furniture type projects. 
Tom
 
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Hi Don,

I do not think the solder iron would work too well, as I tried that to remove a stuck endcap in my carbon fiber moderator on my Air Wolf, it is worth a shot though. I am sure adjusting the hammer will get you all the adjustment you need. I just like to tinker with my guns almost as much as I like to shoot them. I also like to see the quality that goes into the internals of these precision instruments. IMHO the tolerances and machining of all the internal parts are flawless. I think my regualor was set to around 140 factory according to the "twang meter", I have it turned down to about 120 according to the pressure gauge now and I get more shots and I can maintain my desired speed for the pellets I shoot, naturally I will have to up the regulator once I get the heavier JSB pellets in 15 and 18 grain.

Ross
 
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