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    Crusher
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    “Tominco”Just got my new Atlas 5-H bipod today. This thing is wicked! :)

    Love my Atlas. And btw, that stock is coming along just beautifully.  How man coats are you at now? 
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    “lkwan78”Tom,

    I’m one of the guys that are having consistency issues with my crown.  I have shot around 300 rounds of mkII out of it and I keep getting fliers at 20 yards.  

    its shot on top of a bench.  my regulator is factory set and. I always try to make sure my bottle pressure is 150-230.   and then I refill. on a NRA 10 meter target,  3 columns with 4 rows. 12 shots.  1st 3 shots most of time is X ring.  but once I move to next row Wonka stuff starts happening.  the pellet in no wind start drifting up and to the right.  by the time I get to 4th row. I might be getting 6’s instead of x,9,8. it is so frustrating bc I have a wildcat .25 with a NC LDC.  and it is lights out.  with very little effort I can shoot 11/12 10’s with a few X rings! I compared trigger pull with my Lyman scale, and mt WC was at 1lb but my Crown was at 1lb 3oz,so I adjusted the trigger down to 10oz.  that helped but not much.

    on FB groups,  they suggested I clean the barrel from factory gunk.  so I bought a patch worm .25 kit and ran through 4-5patches.  

    it helped but crown still is not any where near as consistent as my wildcat.   what do u think could be my issue?   I can upload pics of my target so u can inspect shot strings.

    I don’t have a chronograph.  but I have the tp set to 3 and the PW adjusted and set to 4

    I’m not tom, but I had a 500 royale (basically same gun without the external adjustments)  that did the same thing as your crown.. First of 2 things is that cleaning with 4 patches did NOT get my barrel clean. It took maybe 50 when I cleaned it straight from the factory. And second, I found my poi shift problem to be a loose barrel screw. The ones under the scope mount. Once I tightened those down, it was a one hole gun. Just something you might check.

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    @Ikwan78 – You provided great information for us to go off of. Do you happen to know what speed your shooting at? I didn’t notice it. 
    The responses before mine are all very good ones. Also, check your bolt probe screw, even if you have never touched it before. I have never taken mine out and found it loose a few days ago. A little dab of blue locktite should keep it nice and snug. 
    Shoot at MAX, 5, and 4. If MAX and 5 are the same speed, then your over powered and need to back things off. 

    @crusher75060 – Thanks! I don’t know how many coats I put on. But, I don’t have plans to finish it any further. 

    @t3pranch – LOL! Thanks for the laugh! :D

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    “lkwan78”Tom,

    I’m one of the guys that are having consistency issues with my crown.  I have shot around 300 rounds of mkII out of it and I keep getting fliers at 20 yards.  

    its shot on top of a bench.  my regulator is factory set and. I always try to make sure my bottle pressure is 150-230.   and then I refill. on a NRA 10 meter target,  3 columns with 4 rows. 12 shots.  1st 3 shots most of time is X ring.  but once I move to next row Wonka stuff starts happening.  the pellet in no wind start drifting up and to the right.  by the time I get to 4th row. I might be getting 6’s instead of x,9,8. it is so frustrating bc I have a wildcat .25 with a NC LDC.  and it is lights out.  with very little effort I can shoot 11/12 10’s with a few X rings! I compared trigger pull with my Lyman scale, and mt WC was at 1lb but my Crown was at 1lb 3oz,so I adjusted the trigger down to 10oz.  that helped but not much.

    on FB groups,  they suggested I clean the barrel from factory gunk.  so I bought a patch worm .25 kit and ran through 4-5patches.  

    it helped but crown still is not any where near as consistent as my wildcat.   what do u think could be my issue?   I can upload pics of my target so u can inspect shot strings.

    I don’t have a chronograph.  but I have the tp set to 3 and the PW adjusted and set to 4

    I’m not tom, but I had a 500 royale (basically same gun without the external adjustments)  that did the same thing as your crown.. First of 2 things is that cleaning with 4 patches did NOT get my barrel clean. It took maybe 50 when I cleaned it straight from the factory. And second, I found my poi shift problem to be a loose barrel screw. The ones under the scope mount. Once I tightened those down, it was a one hole gun. Just something you might check.

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I will check the loose barrel screws!    how tight did you make them?   hand tight?  I have a torque wrench that I can set to however much ft plbs. wow 50 patches???  

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    Drewskii123
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    Thanks for all the pictures of the FX Crown. I see the quality in EVERY SINGLE PHOTO. My pay check needs to hurry up and get here on the 15th.

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    Hi Tominco

    Mate there’s a small problem……….. they sent you my stock by mistake, when would be a good time for me to get it back…… lol

    Terrific post, much appreciate your efforts. Just a small question please…….

    Does the cone part just locate onto the pin of the shroud stop or does it somehow cam over and lock into place………..

    Many Thanks

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    Thanks @skipp60. It’s definitely got some good looks to it. 
    I believe there is a small pin that slips into a hole which locks it in place. 

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    racingbirds
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    I bought a Walnut .30 Cal, I had it for 30 minutes and noticed that jagged hole in the top Right back corner of breech.  It actually cut me 
    I see you have a hole in yours as well, Mine was on the corner and was very poorly done and engineered. apparently these are free hand drilled as they are in a different locations for all of them I have seen   

     The hole illustrates the thin metal used in manufacturing, it  is surprisingly thin. Explains how light the rifle is. -out 
         

    For  an $1,800 pellet rifle, I thought it was too poorly thought out, not to mention I had to look at every time I shot it..  so I returned it.   Also, Not a fan of the Rotating Lock-out Silencer, it was hit or miss and clumsy, the Base would unthread etc. I also think at this price point there should be a protection for loading a second third etc  pellet in the chamber. 
    It didn’t come with a single shot tray.  The walnut stock was VERY thin at many places most noticeable around the O2 Bottle, which brings me to the Carbon Bottle, it looked like it was made by a 5 year old in fiberglass class. It is bumpy, textured, and looked like it didn’t belong on a $1,800 gun. ITS UGLY. The fill port is millimeters away from the Gauge on the bottom, be carful you don’t break the gauge. 
      I am not trying to rip this rifle, there are great things about it, like……….. Regulated power,  an accurate barrel, and fairly quiet.. but isn’t this already done by others for hundreds less? 

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    Any thoughts on how to adjust trigger for weight and travel?

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    “archerhmr”Any thoughts on how to adjust trigger for weight and travel?


    I played with this a while.

    Honestly I was very disappointed that the second stage on the FX Airguns including the Crown are
    a second spring that you can adjust when it engages but cannot adjust the preload to lighten the overall weight.

    You can reduce the weight slightly by making the engagement of the second spring very short before the break but 
    in my experience you cannot get it as low as I like for a great benchrest trigger. My current benchrest gun breaks at 4.7 oz.
    It took a while to get used to but now even an 8 oz. trigger feels like a ton.

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    Racingbirds,

    Mine has the exact same ‘hole’ as yours.  I thought that was supposed to be there…. no?

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    Yes it is a manufacturers “hole” but at $1,800 a poorly designed and engineered one at that in my opinion. Mine was actually jagged and irregular, and cut my skin as it was partially on the corner of the metal.  When I first saw it I truly believed the gun had been hit at that corner and damaged. It certainly didn’t look like an intended hole. Anyway, I sent mine back. I emailed the company, the owner of the company emailed me back and asked me to call him, but at $2.00 a minute I’ll buy another rifle :).   Long and short of this is in my interpretation and I have had a lot of rifles the Crown seems very delicate and cheaply made. The barrel system is a nice thought, and the shroud works, but the extension of it is very clumsy, the twist to tight and then the base starts to unscrew, so back to tighten that. VERY VERY  Easy to jam two or more pellets . Meh … I wasn’t impressed, if the hole wasn’t there though I guess I would have kept it. 

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    The small hole is there to make you able to take aparte the reloader mekanisme. First you remove the allane screw from the other side. Then you push out the little rod though this small hole. Then you can take out the reloading arm. 

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    Thanks, I understand what the hole is for, my issue with it is, on my version of the rifle the hole had jagged edges, and for a $2,000 rifle, I think the hole could have been thought out and implemented a little better. For example, how about some sort of cover for it?? A rubber stopper, a sliding access, something!.. To just have a random jagged hole on the top of the receiver is unaaceptable at this level. What about moisture, Dust, debris… falling into this “hole”?? like I said.. it is ridiculous, it appears to be an afterthought in engineering, and for my $2,000 they need to fix it. 

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    If I owned the Crown, I would mickey Mouse some sort of cover for that hole, tape, a cork, a rubber plug, etc… has anyone had any moisture, debris, dust, sand, dirt, go in that hole?..  just my opinion…. but the manufacturer should have thought of this no?

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    The threaded pin has a hole in a similar spot on the Royale series,  I don’t think it’s ever been an issue (from what I’ve read/seen).  All the holes for the grub screws that hold the barrel are even a bigger more attractive hole for sand/debris.  Pretty much a non-issue IMO.

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    “racingbirds”Thanks, I understand what the hole is for, my issue with it is, on my version of the rifle the hole had jagged edges, and for a $2,000 rifle, I think the hole could have been thought out and implemented a little better. For example, how about some sort of cover for it?? A rubber stopper, a sliding access, something!.. To just have a random jagged hole on the top of the receiver is unaaceptable at this level. What about moisture, Dust, debris… falling into this “hole”?? like I said.. it is ridiculous, it appears to be an afterthought in engineering, and for my $2,000 they need to fix it. 


    I could not agree more!
    When I had mine, you could twist the stock and it would rub against the bottle creating a squeak.
    I inset the bottle opening enough that it did not do that anymore, but why on a $2000 gun?
    Then even after that you can see down each side of the action because there was a 1/16″ gap between the stock and action.

    I really liked my Crown and the possibilities in adjustment, however I just had to swap to RAW’s for the 
    extra attention to detail, those little issues drove me nuts!

     

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    “Glem.Chally”The threaded pin has a hole in a similar spot on the Royale series,  I don’t think it’s ever been an issue (from what I’ve read/seen).  All the holes for the grub screws that hold the barrel are even a bigger more attractive hole for sand/debris.  Pretty much a non-issue IMO.

    
I am not too sure you understand or maybe I don’t understand you. I am not referring to a threaded hole, or a spot where screws go in as you have referenced. This is a gaping drilled or punched out hole for apparently no other reason than to reach a screw at the bottom of receiver. There isn’t a screw in this hole, it is not threaded!  I could literally pour sand if i was so inclined into this hole and fill the receiver with sand. I will say it again, it is unacceptable at this price point to have this in any gun. 

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    That is a very poor design in my opinion. There should have been another design to take that pin out than to punch a hole in the top of the receiver. they could have AT LEAST don’t it with a little more finesse and finish it with a cover of some type. 

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