All of Beeman springers made by HW in the 80's and 90's used chamber lube as part of their maintenance. I still have a set of the Beeman oiling needles.
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To lube or not to lube
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All of Beeman springers made by HW in the 80's and 90's used chamber lube as part of their maintenance. I still have a set of the Beeman oiling needles.
The principles of chemistry and thermodynamics are not suspended when Tom Gaylord expounds on a subject.
Go whole hog bro, use whale oil. I am sure that you can find a Lapplander to extoll its virtues in spring guns.
No offense intended towards Lapplanders, I have always found them to be quite knowledgeable where mechanical devices are concerned, and only occasionally surly when deep in their cups.........
Go whole hog bro, use whale oil. I am sure that you can find a Lapplander to extoll its virtues in spring guns.
No offense intended towards Lapplanders, I have always found them to be quite knowledgeable where mechanical devices are concerned, and only occasionally surly when deep in their cups.........
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" The principles of chemistry and thermodynamics are not suspended when Tom Gaylord expounds on a subject. "
Ok...so when can we expect videos from you expounding on the subjects of thermodynamics and chemistry? After all, once you've said nothing more needs to be said.
" Go whole hog bro, use whale oil. I am sure that you can find a Lapplander to extoll its virtues in spring guns."
Yes ! I can fill the compression chamber of a cocked springer full of whale oil and let it sit overnight! Then siphon the oil off in the morning ! Now that is a well and properly lubricated spring piston airgun! Back to reality.... With that statement you just demonstrated a knee-jerk silly response that is absolutely not based on anything to do with my point. Going off on a tangent isn't becoming of you.
Ok...so when can we expect videos from you expounding on the subjects of thermodynamics and chemistry? After all, once you've said nothing more needs to be said.
" Go whole hog bro, use whale oil. I am sure that you can find a Lapplander to extoll its virtues in spring guns."
Yes ! I can fill the compression chamber of a cocked springer full of whale oil and let it sit overnight! Then siphon the oil off in the morning ! Now that is a well and properly lubricated spring piston airgun! Back to reality.... With that statement you just demonstrated a knee-jerk silly response that is absolutely not based on anything to do with my point. Going off on a tangent isn't becoming of you.
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I am not suggesting they didn't back then but that NOW they seem to be saying it is not needed as part of regular rifle maintenance. My previous post was more or less aimed at new springer owners who may be reading this and deciding on whether or not to use some form of additional lube should be used in their brand new rifle.
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That is probably true ! I'm probably thinking old school but I do no that the user guide that came with my M34 (2017) says to use 1 to 2 drops every 500-1000 shots. Which I plan on doing.
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I just looked at the Operation Manual for my 34. The manual has a print date of 2016. It states to use 2 drops of chamber lube every 1000 shots. To say that these manuals are just carry overs from the days of leather seals seem unlikely to me. I don't believe the wording of this 2016 manual is the same as it was back in the leather days. IMHO.
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The 34 is a solid platform. I had a Meisterschutze model for a spell that did quite well with H&N Field Target Trophy pellets in 4.52 head size.
What pellets are you running, and any pest shots with it to check the ole terminal performance?
What pellets are you running, and any pest shots with it to check the ole terminal performance?
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what you read into things is on you, dieseling will most certainly ruin a seal quicker than not dieseling so again facts not conspiracy and not beliefs but facts.
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No..haven't shot any pests with it yet but I'd imagine 930fps with a 8.4 gr JSB will be lethal. Especially, with this airguns accuracy.
Haven't tried the H&N FT yet but it's on my list. These JSB 8.4 gr with the 4.53mm head are very accurate.
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I've had brand new HW's that dieseled right out of the box. I'm in total agreement that repetitive dieseling will damage a springer. A very slight wisp of smoke 100 shots after applying 2 drops of lube will not harm anything. Mine produces a minute fraction of the amount of smoke that came out of the barrel Tom Gaylord shot in that video.
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I want to see what happens when you keep squirting chamber oil in the compression chamber. I want to see a fireball coming out of the muzzle, +1500 FPS and wonderful loud bang to boot like you were shooting a rimfire.
Hector Medina told me time and time again. Springs break, seals fail and need to be replaced. They are normal consumable parts of Springer like car tires if you shoot a Springer a lot.
Hector Medina told me time and time again. Springs break, seals fail and need to be replaced. They are normal consumable parts of Springer like car tires if you shoot a Springer a lot.
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and what does anyone think the smoke is? combustion and will easily be proven by chronographing right after oiling! combustion, heat, seal and or spring damage, pretty easy. since you like to post quotes here's one of yours "My last post on this subject as the dead horse has been beat enough" diesel right out of the box and you think it's OK or a good thing to further replicate this by intentionally oiling 
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Keep squirting oil ??? Exaggeration a little ?? Ok...2 drops every 1000 shots is squirting in your world
I know people who chamber lube their springers and have thousands and thousands of shots through them and they still function flawlessly.
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and what does anyone think the smoke is? combustion and will easily be proven by chronographing right after oiling! combustion, heat, seal and or spring damage, pretty easy. since you like to post quotes here's one of yours "My last post on this subject as the dead horse has been beat enough" diesel right out of the box and you think it's OK or a good thing to further replicate this by intentionally oiling
The smoke is oil but no harmful effects are taking place. No increase in velocity. No "crack". No vibration. Just like a new springer out of the box. Even 100 shots later still a wisp ! Are the factories sending these guns out to damage themselves.?
Did you watch the video ?
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"springs break, seals fail and need to be replaced. They are normal consumable parts of springers like car tires if you shoot a springer a lot."
Exactly. These piston seals made today will last one helluva long time without issue if installed with care initially and lubricated properly. And if they go bad or a spring breaks.......just replace them! They are inexpensive as can be. When talking about the manufacturers warranty. I personally don't give a rip about the warranty in regards to springs, pistons, seals, triggers, etc. A springer is the simplest of things to work on and maintain. Especially a Diana 34. Everything in that rifle is an interchangeable and replaceable part.......easily done. The last one that I purchased and the one that I absolutely have shot the most, I took it out of the box brand new and stripped it apart. Then began replacing spring, guide, piston seal and started the de burring and polishing process of the compression tube. And have never, ever dropped any oil at all in the chamber. I care more about the condition and long term performance of my rifle than to do that. It's had thousands of firing cycles since my "tune" if you want to call it that. No issue.....just has gotten more accurate with time.
When I realized this thread was still chugging along over the same question I got kinda tickled actually.......man!
Exactly. These piston seals made today will last one helluva long time without issue if installed with care initially and lubricated properly. And if they go bad or a spring breaks.......just replace them! They are inexpensive as can be. When talking about the manufacturers warranty. I personally don't give a rip about the warranty in regards to springs, pistons, seals, triggers, etc. A springer is the simplest of things to work on and maintain. Especially a Diana 34. Everything in that rifle is an interchangeable and replaceable part.......easily done. The last one that I purchased and the one that I absolutely have shot the most, I took it out of the box brand new and stripped it apart. Then began replacing spring, guide, piston seal and started the de burring and polishing process of the compression tube. And have never, ever dropped any oil at all in the chamber. I care more about the condition and long term performance of my rifle than to do that. It's had thousands of firing cycles since my "tune" if you want to call it that. No issue.....just has gotten more accurate with time.
When I realized this thread was still chugging along over the same question I got kinda tickled actually.......man!
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Oh yeah, if you are getting acceptable accuracy, a JSB at that velocity will ghost a starling with ease.
I never got any of the fancy pellets like poly mags to group worth a hoot. The JSBs did good but the H&N FTTs shaded them a bit so I ran with them.
Many feeder raiding House Sparrows fell victim to the 34.
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"springs break, seals fail and need to be replaced. They are normal consumable parts of springers like car tires if you shoot a springer a lot."
Exactly. These piston seals made today will last one helluva long time without issue if installed with care initially and lubricated properly. And if they go bad or a spring breaks.......just replace them! They are inexpensive as can be. When talking about the manufacturers warranty. I personally don't give a rip about the warranty in regards to springs, pistons, seals, triggers, etc. A springer is the simplest of things to work on and maintain. Especially a Diana 34. Everything in that rifle is an interchangeable and replaceable part.......easily done. The last one that I purchased and the one that I absolutely have shot the most, I took it out of the box brand new and stripped it apart. Then began replacing spring, guide, piston seal and started the de burring and polishing process of the compression tube. And have never, ever dropped any oil at all in the chamber. I care more about the condition and long term performance of my rifle than to do that. It's had thousands of firing cycles since my "tune" if you want to call it that. No issue.....just has gotten more accurate with time.
When I realized this thread was still chugging along over the same question I got kinda tickled actually.......man!
" When I realized this thread was still chugging along over the same question I got kinda tickled actually…….man! "
LOL ! I agree ! I don't mind discussing issues and opposing views but I will defend myself if it gets personal. This issue is more opinionated than discussing politics.
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I will have to try them. Sorry for being a little testy ! I might use this gun for Valley Quail next season. Switch it from the Sig for a change.
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GoldenState,
You are correct. It is actually quite humorous and comical to me how intense these debates/discussions can be. You would think it was politics....LOL! It's airguns for crying out loud and is a hobby. What does it really matter if we disagree on how to, or how not to lubricate something. I respect your opinion on something like this even if I disagree. If I could help you or anyone here at anytime I will happily do so. I have been helped with knowledge and information here by many people. To lube or Not to lube! That is The question!!
Take care fellas
You are correct. It is actually quite humorous and comical to me how intense these debates/discussions can be. You would think it was politics....LOL! It's airguns for crying out loud and is a hobby. What does it really matter if we disagree on how to, or how not to lubricate something. I respect your opinion on something like this even if I disagree. If I could help you or anyone here at anytime I will happily do so. I have been helped with knowledge and information here by many people. To lube or Not to lube! That is The question!!
Take care fellas
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It's Copen's fault! He started this thread ! LOL ! I'm officially done with this topic ! And I mean it this time! I promise not to reply anymore ! LOL !
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