Time elapsing among pulling the trigger and pellet flying

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On some rifles there's a "long" time among the pulling of the trigger and the pellet starting to fly.

That time is very important for accuracy: after pulling the trigger you have to be as mucha as possible fixed pointing at the target.

With the electronic trigger of the Renegade, I have noticed that there's no vacancy among the pulling of the trigger and the pellet to be expelled.

In my Bantam Sniper that time feels very, very long.

I am surprised that the electronic trigger won't become a market standard to improve accuracy.

Would Daystate have a patent that restrict other good rifles to follow them with electronic triggers?
 
Emu, the issue you raise is lock time. The electronic trigger removes the sear disengagement time and the resulting hammer travel. But, assuming a clean, match grade trigger release and proper shooter follow through, I don't believe you will notice a difference in accuracy. In fact, I believe you might find that shooters who have experienced a true match quality mechanical trigger, prefer it over the electronic.
 
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The trigger has the least amount of influence on lock time.

All the crap moving around to get the air behind the pellet is what makes the difference. The hammer travel and it's weight and speed is the difference you can detect. 

In the electronic guns, there is no pronounced hammer travel to account for. It's not the trigger, it's the firing mechanisms. 

Personally I don't care for the trigger in my RedWolf. It's vague and not adjustable for a crisp release. Basically you can't adjust out the travel of the "button" that is effectively the trigger. 
 
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The trigger has the least amount of influence on lock time.

All the crap moving around to get the air behind the pellet is what makes the difference. The hammer travel and it's weight and speed is the difference you can detect. 

In the electronic guns, there is no pronounced hammer travel to account for. It's not the trigger, it's the firing mechanisms. 

Personally I don't care for the trigger in my RedWolf. It's vague and not adjustable for a crisp release. Basically you can't adjust out the travel of the "button" that is effectively the trigger.
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Agree. Since the trigger is a micro switch button, it is, by design mushy. I have mine set at around 4 ounces, and such a light setting helps remove the mushy feeling. And the first "stage", IMO only makes the trigger worse, so mine is set up as single stage. A match grade mechanical trigger is a thing of precision beauty, and yields a feel that I don't believe can be achieved electronically. 
 
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It comes down to positives and negatives in the E system trigger vs the mechanical trigger. I haven't found a really good E trigger yet and I've fired a half dozen different ones. The best so far was in a Morini pistol.

The mechanical match triggers are heavenly in feel. The one in my Thomas HPX is like that and in some other match air rifles as well like my old Steyr LG100.

A fast lock time does help in times when form is lacking. Follow through helps take care of a sloppy shot though. 

Best is a short barrel, fast lock time, and in a perfect world a fantastic E trigger. 

I have an old USFT with a long barrel and possibly the slowest lock time around. Follow through is a must but the gun gets the job done, the proof of that was many match wins.

Ordered a Thomas FT which will have a faster lock time, a shorter barrel, and a superb trigger. No E trigger and I don't have to charge a gun.
 
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The trigger has the least amount of influence on lock time.

All the crap moving around to get the air behind the pellet is what makes the difference. The hammer travel and it's weight and speed is the difference you can detect. 

In the electronic guns, there is no pronounced hammer travel to account for. It's not the trigger, it's the firing mechanisms. 

Personally I don't care for the trigger in my RedWolf. It's vague and not adjustable for a crisp release. Basically you can't adjust out the travel of the "button" that is effectively the trigger.
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"All the crap moving around to get the air behind the pellet is what makes the difference. "

Then, this ought to be the part of the rifles on which work of improvement has to be done: "the firing mechanisms", in order to decrease time among pulling the trigger and the pellet to fly to your aiming point.




 
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I have not tried a Daystate trigger. I do notice a huge difference between a Hill Hammer and a war no bounce hammer in my Marauder. With the Hill the shot feels immediate by comparison. Don't gripe too much, in archery follow through is much longer. Imagine the nerves of steel hunters and marksmen had when state of the art was flintlocks. Mushy electronic trigger, just wait there will be a.n upgrade.

Jim
 
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I find the feel of the Daystate electronic triggers to be every bit as good as any mechanical trigger, "match grade" or not.
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I guess it's a matter of preference and sensitivity. My Red Wolf trigger, at 4 ounces is acceptable. But to my feel, it compares very poorly to the best Steyr or Anschutz match triggers I have used. However, it is a way to consistently deliver a light pull trigger, without the machine and labor expense of the best mechanical triggers.
 
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As one who spends a considerable amount of time tuning and modifying air guns of which a lot are Field target match rifles. The "Trigger" as has been stated above many times is only the start of the firing process. YES a light and crisp break is preferred by most.

From there parts and pieces in motion being the hammer, distance traveled, it's mass/ weight and stroke it must travel absorb TIME. heavier or bulkier & further the travel distance becomes LONGER will the lock time become !!! Simple mechanics.



* THEN WE HAVE .... cyclic vibration from all this activity before the pellet leaves ... Does it effect your guns stableness ? Yes it very much may and in a PCP simple dry firing while looking at a POA at distance can tell a lot.



Rifles like FWB / STEYR / TAIPANS and some others use VERY VERY light hammers with Very stout springs that cycle so fast they are the KINGS of short lock time !!





Scott S
 
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I find the feel of the Daystate electronic triggers to be every bit as good as any mechanical trigger, "match grade" or not.
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I'll assume you disagree. Yeeaahhh, rrriiiggghhtt, oookkkaaayyy then. Easy, huh.
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Well, I'll agree with you. The electronic triggers in my RW's and Pulsars are the absolute best to me, and the fast lock time only adds to the accuracy I get out of these guns.
 
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As one who spends a considerable amount of time tuning and modifying air guns of which a lot are Field target match rifles. The "Trigger" as has been stated above many times is only the start of the firing process. YES a light and crisp break is preferred by most.

From there parts and pieces in motion being the hammer, distance traveled, it's mass/ weight and stroke it must travel absorb TIME. heavier or bulkier & further the travel distance becomes LONGER will the lock time become !!! Simple mechanics.



* THEN WE HAVE .... cyclic vibration from all this activity before the pellet leaves ... Does it effect your guns stableness ? Yes it very much may and in a PCP simple dry firing while looking at a POA at distance can tell a lot.



Rifles like FWB / STEYR / TAIPANS and some others use VERY VERY light hammers with Very stout springs that cycle so fast they are the KINGS of short lock time !!





Scott S
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That is exactly how I have my regulated AirForce Condors set up-heaviest hammer spring available with the lightest hammer (stock hammer with the "weight" removed). Very fast lock time and thus easier to shoot accurately IMO. Certainly there is a tradeoff to ultimate hammer energy possible but it works for my shooting needs. Personally, I agree with TMH that the Daystate electronic triggers are about as good as it can get. JMO.
 
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As one who spends a considerable amount of time tuning and modifying air guns of which a lot are Field target match rifles. The "Trigger" as has been stated above many times is only the start of the firing process. YES a light and crisp break is preferred by most.

From there parts and pieces in motion being the hammer, distance traveled, it's mass/ weight and stroke it must travel absorb TIME. heavier or bulkier & further the travel distance becomes LONGER will the lock time become !!! Simple mechanics.



* THEN WE HAVE .... cyclic vibration from all this activity before the pellet leaves ... Does it effect your guns stableness ? Yes it very much may and in a PCP simple dry firing while looking at a POA at distance can tell a lot.



Rifles like FWB / STEYR / TAIPANS and some others use VERY VERY light hammers with Very stout springs that cycle so fast they are the KINGS of short lock time !!





Scott S
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From there parts and pieces in motion being the hammer, distance traveled, it's mass/ weight and stroke it must travel absorb TIME. heavier or bulkier & further the travel distance becomes LONGER will the lock time become !!! Simple mechanics.



* THEN WE HAVE …. cyclic vibration from all this activity before the pellet leaves … Does it effect your guns stableness ? Yes it very much may and in a PCP simple dry firing while looking at a POA at distance can tell a lot.
 
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