Thoughts have changed on pellets versus slugs - a discussion

I have to admit, as short as a year ago I was a slug non-believer. I had bought into the myth that pellets were more accurate than slugs up to 100 yards, and the slugs I did end up testing didn't work that well and confirmed my beliefs. Now that there are MANY more options for slugs which are truly comparable in price to pellets (thanks NSA!), and there are numerous options in each caliber such as HP, S2, FB, DB, shallow CP, deep CB, etc., I thought I'd try again. So about six months ago I jumped into the rabbit hole and I'm still burrowing...

My test platforms are a .22 EDgun R3 Long and a .25 EDgun R5 Super Magnum, plus a good buddy (Derrick @zx10wall ) has a .30 EDgun R5 Super Long and he's been recently testing slugs. For me so far with my two guns, the R3 with lightweight NSA slugs has proven the top performer, but the .30 R5 SL has comparable results to the R3. I have had good but not stellar results with the R5 SM, but it does prefer the 26.8 grain HP DB. Derrick's R5 SL prefers the lightweight NSA 47.2 grain HP DB.

Some points and lessons learned below:

1. Slugs are now very comparable in price to high quality pellets (notwithstanding the NEW high priced FX Hybrids). I shoot the 20.2 Grain NSA HP DB in my Edgun R3 Long at 965 FPS. They are easily MOA at 110 yards, which is my normal testing distance after initial 50 yard testing. ($18.95 for 375 slugs). Last weekend I had five out of six MOA groups (5 shots each) at 110 yards, with the best two being 5/8" and 7/8", and the worst being 1.5". Derrick's R5 SL shooting 47.2 HP DB have given him dime sized 5 shot groups at 100 yards.

2. Even as short as a year ago, the general consensus was that pellets were more accurate than slugs at shorter (up to 100 yards) distance. Its been my experience recently that this is no longer true. At 50 yards the 20.2 NSA are every bit as accurate as the JSB RD Monsters, which is what I normally have shot in this gun. And at 110 yards the NSA 20.2 slugs are noticeably more accurate and more stable than the JSB RD Monsters (at 925 FPS).

3. Although the lightweight slugs have a better BC than the pellets, its not five times better, or anything of the sort, IMHO. For example, I MEASURED BC in 65 degree weather a few hundred feet above sea level, and measured at 110 yards, with a 50 yards zero using the "BC Truing" function on Strelok Pro. This was using the drop method and a chrony at the muzzle shooting at 110 yards after confirming the exact zero at 50 yards. The JSB RD Monster was at 0.048, and the NSA 20.2 HP DB was at 0.074. I could notice this is 5 to 6 mph winds coming from my 10 to 11 o'clock in that the slugs drifted less than the pellets. I held off 0.7 MIL for the pellets and 0.4 MIL for the slugs. This is, however, comparing a high BC pellet to a low BC slug. So the differential could be significantly greater than this.

4. Don't go into slugs believing that it is easy, and you'll no longer have to worry about the wind. That's just not true. For both my guns I tested every slug that NSA makes in both calibers (.22 and .25) at 50 yards and various speeds (900, 925, 950, 975, 1000, 1025). When I got the two best performers at 50 yards, I took them to 75 yards, and the winner of that went to 110 yards, where I again tried various speeds. For the R3 Long, it turns out that the NSA 20.2 perform best at 965 to 970 FPS at 110 yards. Very stable flight the entire path. and very good groupings. Unless I find "the magic" with the .25 R5, the .22 R3 is the gun I'll shoot at the RMAC small bore slug challenge.

5. The EDguns prefer the lighter weight slugs in each caliber (best accuracy at 100 to 110 yards). For example, 20.2 grain in .22, 26.8 grain in .25, and 47.2 grain in .30. This was confirmed in a .22 R3 Long, a .25 R5 Super Magnum, and a .30 R5 Super Long.

Hopefully we can generate some discussion about this topic. I know @stoti has done MUCH more testing than I have with the NSA and other brand slugs in his guns. In fact, he's the reason I started down this rabbit hole...

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110 yards 5 shots .22 NSA 20.2 grain
 
Same - same; I didn’t see a use for slugs in an airgun 6-7 months ago. I have a few nice .22lr rimfires with suppressors. I thought, why on earth would I ever need to shoot those pricey slugs. 

Nick’s high speed production prices and folks reporting/videoing stupendous results began turning my head. Once I found the NSA 47.2gr out of my Eddy Super Long, my eyes opened. This combo can outshoot my .22 rimfires.

Looking at the retained energy at 75 plus yards compared to a diabolo pellet, really solidifies why slugs are desired. Still love shooting pellets but I now appreciate a PCP slugger. 
 
Yah man,

I've been on the slug path for about a year now and holy cow has it come a long way in that short time! Started out with the Varmint knockers being my first real success in my DW power tuned Cricket carbine .25 shooting woodchucks out to 150 yards!

But still was less than MOA at 100!

But now with Nick's new high speed production slugs the whole ball game has changed...started with the 33.5s and getting great groups...then moving on to the 29s and not so much although they did come around after lubing to acceptable accuracy!

Then came along the 26.8s and bingo the magic bullet! I'm running them at 950 fps with a 40 yard zero which is one hole....and with my SWFA 10x milquad its exactly 3 mils hold over at 100 and MOA all day!!!

Having excellent results with the hybrids at 925 fps ( I know the price the price) but they perform beautifully out of my Veteran long especially since installing the power spring I got from Derrick...I have the power plenum too just haven't got around to installing it yet. And just ordered some 20.2 for a go...I should be able to push them at the speeds your talking about after the plenum install..

As a hunter these new projectiles are a true game changer and I rarely even touch a powder burner anymore! Lol

James from Michigan 
 
Yeah James, although I have shot two ground squirrels last Summer with .30 pellets (FX Bobcat Mk2) at 200 yards, it was very lucky... Probably about a 1 in 10 shot each time. There are two things I want to do this Spring when the ground squirrels start coming out again. Make shots between 100 and 200 yards routine, since the horse ranchers where I shoot think its not really possible (with slugs, I'm thinking chances greatly improve), and also to gun down at least a couple of ground squirrels on the run with my .22 SK LCS-19 in full auto (and in full view of the property owners). A little Rambo-ish? Probably... Fun? Heck yeah!!! ;) Hey squirrel, say hello to my little friend... 
 
I did buy some NSA .177 slugs last year to try. They seemed to be very high quality and they shot very well. But they weren't more accurate than the heavy pellets I commonly shoot, at least at the maximum ranges I shoot which is usually no more that 50-60 yards. Surely the slugs should be better at longer ranges and that should certainly be an advantage to those shooters wanting that ability but there are many, myself included, that don't really shoot air guns beyond shorter ranges. So similar accuracy for the distance commonly shot doesn't seem like an advantage for the slug for those type shooters. And apparently from what you listed above, in the larger calibers some folks are getting prices on slugs that are comparable to pellets. But my most recent check of the NSA site still shows .177 slugs at 3 to 5 times the price of the heaviest pellets I commonly shoot-the JSB Beast (currently listed at 1/3 the price of the NSA slugs) and the H&N Sniper Magnum (basically 1/5 the cost of the NSA slugs). With that difference there seems to be no advantage for slugs to a person who doesn't want to shoot at long enough ranges to utilize their potential advantage. Even if the .177 slugs reach the same relative "comparable" cost from NSA as is available for the good quality pellets that are available in .177, they wouldn't provide much (if any) advantage to shorter range shooters. Seems to be all relative and not an absolute advantage to the slugs, unless of course your goal is longer range shooting. If so, by all means the slugs should have advantages.
 
Its a slippery slope if you ask me , Sadly now I am addicted to the whole slug thing . I thought at first it was a myth to be able to get the velocities out of these things , and of course the accuracy . This was not helped by the You tube people putting up hunting vid's shooting slugs out to vast distances and nailing pigeons at , what seemed like , ridiculous distance. I jumped head first into this but being in the UK could not bu any slugs and the availability over here is very very limited , the only way to do it was order from the USA and great cost for shipping ... Nightmare , Luckily I found a local guy ( PRO HUNTER ) that had just stared making them and lucky for me they worked a treat in my Daystate . I have been testing on behalf of JSB their new slugs and to be honest they are amazing ( in my gun ) I hope other testers find the same as me . I still shoot the JSB RD's and they group beautifully , but for that knock down power at distance ... Slugs all the way . As others have said , there is some setting up to do but its worth the time and effort . I love them !! 





Rog 
 
Hi CC, I have been shooting slugs from almost a year now, so here are my 2 cents regarding your points

1- Price: Nick Nielsen is THA MAN! is the best you can find for your buck as today. 6 month ago I purchase donno 100 slugs for 18.99 now 350 for the same price!

2- Accuracy: IME has been improved as you mention (I will say last 6 months), and now there is almost no difference in accuracy @100 yards between pellets and slugs. Rules do not allowed, but if they say that I can shoot whatever I like in BR 100y, I will probably choose Slugs.

3- I shoot heavy slugs usually because are longer and have good BC (.22 30gn to 34gn .25 44gn - 55gn .30 61-66gn) and they are dang accurate (and fits my mags) like the accuracy and long distance I can get with those, but you need a lot of juice for move those @ 950 fps)

4- You are totally right, I have been in many markets (hobby and business) in early stages and is always the same. We need to thanks the innovators, thanks to them now is much more easy than 6 months ago. I like to test, is fun for me, but for others is not.

5- Donno about edguns but is my understanding than more than weight is the width what matters most on the slug (to match the barrel) and in the barrel is twist rate and the choke (not too tight or not at all). For example in .22 cal we can see .217 .218 and now we can see .216 in some slugs. But donno I might be wrong.

The only "problem" with slugs is that they are NOT BACKYARD Friendly at all, the smack/pop is VERY loud, like a mini blast 💥 when you hit anything alive Neighbors will come out and check!). But for plinking they actually pop less than pellets in metal. Besides that, LOVE THEM!, do I use pellets still? YES for hunting at short range ..let's say up to 70m, pellets are good and the pop is not loud, so is a good thing to have the option today to choose the right tool for the job. So basically if there are neighbors around I use pellets and if not (out in the field), slugs. 
 
I've read so many posts on forums that pellets are more accurate than slugs. Slugs are only better for longer range, past 100 yards etc. 

That sure hasn't been my experience. I have never had any domes that shoot as accurate as my slugs at any distance from all of my guns. 

I've been making slugs for 3 years now. Way past the accuracy thing. More into making custom slugs that explode at POI 200+ yards out. 

It's nice to see so many shooters finally interested in going to slugs (and HP pellets) in the last couple of years. 


 
I've read so many posts on forums that pellets are more accurate than slugs. Slugs are only better for longer range, past 100 yards etc. 

That sure hasn't been my experience. I have never had any domes that shoot as accurate as my slugs at any distance from all of my guns. 

I've been making slugs for 3 years now. Way past the accuracy thing. More into making custom slugs that explode at POI 200+ yards out. 

It's nice to see so many shooters finally interested in going to slugs (and HP pellets) in the last couple of years. 


Glad they are working out for you. Probably a great option if needed and if they function in your gun. They don't seem to be for everyone. Lots of disagreement on the subject-

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=160672.0

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/pellets-v-slugs-the-latest-from-matt-dubber-2/
 
Great topic Mike. It’s like there are 2 tiers of accuracy with slugs. The reason probably has a lot to do with the myth that you won’t find slugs as accurate as pellets so people stop trying at a certain point and accept that is as good as it gets. 
There are people who do understand just what can be achieved with slugs and Long_Shot is one of them. He won’t blow his own trumpet but not only has he been doing this for years he also has a great relationship with Dave Corbin and has been developing his own slugs with Dave’s gear.
Dave himself said to me what he has achieved is amazing. 
The info on how to get exceptional accuracy is out there You just have to listen to the right people




 
Great topic Mike. It’s like there are 2 tiers of accuracy with slugs. The reason probably has a lot to do with the myth that you won’t find slugs as accurate as pellets so people stop trying at a certain point and accept that is as good as it gets. 
There are people who do understand just what can be achieved with slugs and Long_Shot is one of them. He won’t blow his own trumpet but not only has he been doing this for years he also has a great relationship with Dave Corbin and has been developing his own slugs with Dave’s gear.
Dave himself said to me what he has achieved is amazing. 
The info on how to get exceptional accuracy is out there You just have to listen to the right people

Agree. I went thru that trying and giving up. One reason was not many people doing it so the few and far between success postings could be attributed to BS. And then for a while I kept reading stories from wing nuts that said they were getting better groups at 100 yards than they were at 50, which of course is physically impossible. So I decided I’d had enough trying slugs ...

But once I started seeing lots more posts and cheaper slugs I decided to try again. It was a lot of trial and error but worth it. 


 
Although there seems to be a large selection of different slugs on the market the truth is most are made on Corbin presses with there standard bases and hp. The real advantage in swagging your on is you are able to “reverse tune” 

That is you can find a base/hp that works in your gun and then incrementally change its overall length and weight to tune it to your barrel (twist rate). If you can increase the weight and not loose accuracy you can improve your bc You eventually find a point where your accuracy declines and you need to go back

Really what are the odds that exactly 25g is perfect for your gun? What would happen if you could add .25g? Long_Shots slugs are 38.1......


 
Airsupply, 

That is EXACTLY why I dove into the slug game, even though I shoot mostly from a.177, 12 ft.lb point of view. 

I can get the best accuracy and consistency from a given slug, and then try to tweak the slug in different ways to change the center of balance. I'll first try a different base, and see how that works, then the weight. It takes a LOT of trial and error to find the perfect combination. One will work amazingly well, at a certain weight, add or subtract .5 a grain, and it all goes to poop.

Dave Corbin is wealth of information, and I try to pick his mind every chance I can. 

My journey with slugs, is an interesting one, albeit frustrating at times, but I'm glad that I have plummeted in to the point of no return , in order to find the perfect projectile, even if it is for lower Field Target power levels. Keeps it interesting. 

Tom Holland 

Field Target Tech 


 
For now I like the challenge and advantages of dialing in a slug gun. Right now most of the guys who are figuring them out are dedicated and more than likely responsible people. My concern is, just like everything, when they go mainstream and manufactures jump on the production slug gun bandwagon, we are going to have slugs instead of pellets whizzing around neighborhoods. Guys shooting birds off wires just like they did with their pellet guns not realizing they are shooting a bullet into the air. Then there will be causalities, lawsuits, then the end.
 
About that - reading stories from wing nuts that said they were getting better groups at 100 yards than they were at 50, which of course is physically impossible.

There's a lot of other things written out there about slugs that don't help. I watched a friend "tune" a gun to shoot slugs in 15 min's. and about 5 - 3 to 5 shot groups. He obviously knows how to tune PCP's. But, he also knew the slugs were the right diameter etc. etc. 

As others have said above, there is a big plus to be able to make slugs to fit your gun. 
 
Great topic Mike. It’s like there are 2 tiers of accuracy with slugs. The reason probably has a lot to do with the myth that you won’t find slugs as accurate as pellets so people stop trying at a certain point and accept that is as good as it gets. 
There are people who do understand just what can be achieved with slugs and Long_Shot is one of them. He won’t blow his own trumpet but not only has he been doing this for years he also has a great relationship with Dave Corbin and has been developing his own slugs with Dave’s gear.
Dave himself said to me what he has achieved is amazing. 
The info on how to get exceptional accuracy is out there You just have to listen to the right people




It's not a question of whether slugs are less accurate overall. They will probably compare nicely to pellets in accuracy, even at shorter ranges. But in this thread alone there is much talk of the need for lots of work to get such accuracy. Balance that against any additional usefulness of the slug over the pellet for many shooters and therein lies the issue. Seems that such additional usefulness is apparent and valued by many once they've done the work. If that fits any individual then by all means research and work to shoot the slugs. To others, the usefulness isn't so apparent since they have all the function they need for the type of air gun shooting they do from pellets. It is always good to have options but such options aren't needed by all. But by all means, carry on shooting what you want (or need).