thimbles for barrels and do they work
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February 14, 2017 at 8:19 pm Link
hey guys do you find your air gun barrels work? rwa is a good example they offer the bm500 with a thimble now.
as well I know of some custom makers will do a thimble as well for your gun.do any of you guys use a thimble on your rifle and if so how do you find them.
do you find rotating the barrel improves accuracy with all pellets to a degree
or do you find they help all pellets shoot more accurately to a degree.hey guys do you find your air gun barrels work? rwa is a good example they offer the bm500 with a thimble now. as well I know of some custom makers will do a thimble as well for your gun. do any of you guys use a thimble on your rifle and if so how do you find them. do you find rotating the barrel improves accuracy with all pellets to a degree or do you find they help all pellets shoot more accurately to a degree.February 14, 2017 at 10:12 pm LinkHi. Can you educate me.
What’s a thimble???
Thanks MichaelHi. Can you educate me. What's a thimble??? Thanks MichaelFebruary 14, 2017 at 11:04 pm Link“AirSupply”Hi. Can you educate me.
What’s a thimble???
Thanks MichaelX2 – I know I’ve read about this before but, I can’t recall what the explanation was.
Tom"AirSupply"Hi. Can you educate me. What's a thimble??? Thanks Michael
X2 - I know I've read about this before but, I can't recall what the explanation was. TomFebruary 15, 2017 at 12:56 am LinkRotating barrels are big in competition shooting. Don’t know a whole lot. From what I’ve read, its more for trying to get tighter groups at the 75 yard and up ranges.
Rotating barrels are big in competition shooting. Don't know a whole lot. From what I've read, its more for trying to get tighter groups at the 75 yard and up ranges.February 15, 2017 at 9:11 am LinkTurns out that even for the most precise barrels, the bore is not exactly aligned with the barrel’s outside surface. Also, there may be a slight curve to the bore – an arc rather than a straight line. Therefore if you were to lock down the gun and rotate the barrel, POI would rotate around a circle like hours on a clock.
Some shooters believe that barrels shoot best at 12 o’clock or 6 o’clock because of resonation/harmonic patterns. Also, 12 o’clock can help with scope alignment. Finding the ideal rotation is called indexing.
Thomas air rifles are made so the barrel can be rotated by the user, though Mike pre-indexes the barrel. RAW and others use a transfer port, so indexing requires an adapter. The adapter (thimble) keeps the transfer port aligned while allowing barrel rotation.
Turns out that even for the most precise barrels, the bore is not exactly aligned with the barrel's outside surface. Also, there may be a slight curve to the bore - an arc rather than a straight line. Therefore if you were to lock down the gun and rotate the barrel, POI would rotate around a circle like hours on a clock. Some shooters believe that barrels shoot best at 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock because of resonation/harmonic patterns. Also, 12 o'clock can help with scope alignment. Finding the ideal rotation is called indexing. Thomas air rifles are made so the barrel can be rotated by the user, though Mike pre-indexes the barrel. RAW and others use a transfer port, so indexing requires an adapter. The adapter (thimble) keeps the transfer port aligned while allowing barrel rotation.February 15, 2017 at 10:11 am LinkThis is a good thread on indexing:
http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?96044-Barrel-Indexing&highlight=indexing
This is a good thread on indexing: http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?96044-Barrel-Indexing&highlight=indexingFebruary 15, 2017 at 10:20 am LinkI know what is is I just want to know about people on here and have any of you guys used it your selves and how do you find it
what has your success been with it?I know what is is I just want to know about people on here and have any of you guys used it your selves and how do you find it what has your success been with it?February 15, 2017 at 10:49 am LinkKim’s post is dead on, adds predictability to doping wind too, I set mine once when I first got the BM500, 25m index circle was less than 2″
Kim's post is dead on, adds predictability to doping wind too, I set mine once when I first got the BM500, 25m index circle was less than 2"February 15, 2017 at 3:47 pm Linkexelent . am looking to hear more. as I’m about to order my raw bm500 with thimble.
I’m choosing a thimble over a mag fed rifle as I’m looking for the best accuracy possible.
I love this stuff and learing and looking forward to hearing others resultsexelent . am looking to hear more. as I'm about to order my raw bm500 with thimble. I'm choosing a thimble over a mag fed rifle as I'm looking for the best accuracy possible. I love this stuff and learing and looking forward to hearing others resultsFebruary 18, 2017 at 9:56 am Linksaltycon what cal is your rifle andat what speed with a given pellet do you find for best accuracy?
saltycon what cal is your rifle andat what speed with a given pellet do you find for best accuracy?February 19, 2017 at 7:31 am Linkaa I am glad to see you started this thread. I learned about indexing 40 + yrs ago, when my gunsmithing bud was setting up my 6.5mm long range (500-1000 yard) rifle. I had no idea that this technique was being applied to air rifles. It did make a major difference in my rifle back then. I know there will be the experts wannbee or real who say it does not make a difference. I personally would disagree. I cannot see any air rifle company going to the expense or using the type materials it takes to even make a bbl that is 1/1000 true even 3/1000 which is rather rare even with the top dollar pb rifles. I am getting ready to purchase a rifle for FT competition and would like to know of a source to get a thimble installed on it.
aa I am glad to see you started this thread. I learned about indexing 40 + yrs ago, when my gunsmithing bud was setting up my 6.5mm long range (500-1000 yard) rifle. I had no idea that this technique was being applied to air rifles. It did make a major difference in my rifle back then. I know there will be the experts wannbee or real who say it does not make a difference. I personally would disagree. I cannot see any air rifle company going to the expense or using the type materials it takes to even make a bbl that is 1/1000 true even 3/1000 which is rather rare even with the top dollar pb rifles. I am getting ready to purchase a rifle for FT competition and would like to know of a source to get a thimble installed on it.February 19, 2017 at 8:17 am LinkLivit
you might want to check with Jim GaskaLivit you might want to check with Jim GaskaFebruary 19, 2017 at 9:36 am LinkLIVIT:
If you get a Steyr LG 110 you can rotate the barrel and not need a thimble as the air is supplied through the bolt and there is no transfer port drilled in the barrel.LIVIT: If you get a Steyr LG 110 you can rotate the barrel and not need a thimble as the air is supplied through the bolt and there is no transfer port drilled in the barrel.February 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm Linkindexing does 3 things
1 it helps with the set up of the scope. windage left and right and your poa going to the left and right of your zero at any other range other than your zero range.
2. it helps with tuning the barrel.
3 it helps your from not maxing out its elevation turrets in the scope when set at the 12 oclock position.I feel I made the best and most knowledgeable air gun purchase of my life ,
I feel it has the potential to be one of the most accurate air guns out there,
I’m getting a raw 500bm action with thimble set in a l r t stock.
it will be about 4 months or so till its in my hands but iit will be worth the wait… I’m sure of itindexing does 3 things 1 it helps with the set up of the scope. windage left and right and your poa going to the left and right of your zero at any other range other than your zero range. 2. it helps with tuning the barrel. 3 it helps your from not maxing out its elevation turrets in the scope when set at the 12 oclock position. I feel I made the best and most knowledgeable air gun purchase of my life , I feel it has the potential to be one of the most accurate air guns out there, I'm getting a raw 500bm action with thimble set in a l r t stock. it will be about 4 months or so till its in my hands but iit will be worth the wait... I'm sure of itFebruary 19, 2017 at 4:23 pm LinkGuys tks y’all, so much to learn yet and I love it
AA it looks like you are like me in making sure to know what I am getting and what the expectations should be. Well done brother and you are dead on about what indexing does regardless of what type of shooting discipline it is. In long range shooting if you had a bbl that was indexed at 3 or 9 oclock then along with wind drift you had to factor in that indexing too. That was a real PITA ! I can very clearly see the advantage to doing this with an air rifle. I would think that air rifles would benefit even more than a PB rifle.Guys tks y'all, so much to learn yet and I love it :) AA it looks like you are like me in making sure to know what I am getting and what the expectations should be. Well done brother and you are dead on about what indexing does regardless of what type of shooting discipline it is. In long range shooting if you had a bbl that was indexed at 3 or 9 oclock then along with wind drift you had to factor in that indexing too. That was a real PITA ! I can very clearly see the advantage to doing this with an air rifle. I would think that air rifles would benefit even more than a PB rifle.February 20, 2017 at 8:00 am Linkthe thimble is such an aset. i cant imangine not buying an air gun now with out this feature .
the thimble is such an aset. i cant imangine not buying an air gun now with out this feature .February 20, 2017 at 10:05 am Link“aa_limited”saltycon what cal is your rifle andat what speed with a given pellet do you find for best accuracy?
Mines is setup where Martin tuned it at, 800ish fps, 18-19 fpe. i use 13gr JSB .177
here’s the rifle in action, with chrony numbers
"aa_limited"saltycon what cal is your rifle andat what speed with a given pellet do you find for best accuracy?
Mines is setup where Martin tuned it at, 800ish fps, 18-19 fpe. i use 13gr JSB .177 here's the rifle in action, with chrony numbersFebruary 20, 2017 at 1:04 pm LinkSALTICON how do you find jsb 10.3 and jsb 8.4 accuracy wise in the polygonal barrell
SALTICON how do you find jsb 10.3 and jsb 8.4 accuracy wise in the polygonal barrellFebruary 20, 2017 at 1:25 pm Link“aa_limited”SALTICON how do you find jsb 10.3 and jsb 8.4 accuracy wise in the polygonal barrell
accurate for hunting not to compete with, maybe better at different FPE
"aa_limited"SALTICON how do you find jsb 10.3 and jsb 8.4 accuracy wise in the polygonal barrell
accurate for hunting not to compete with, maybe better at different FPEFebruary 20, 2017 at 1:27 pm Linki may add, the video doesnt do the rifle justice, i was seasoning a deep clean barrel, and the camera is a pain to shoot with.
i may add, the video doesnt do the rifle justice, i was seasoning a deep clean barrel, and the camera is a pain to shoot with. -
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