The ultimate FX Impact Compact?...!

Some of you might know me from my instagram account called longrange_airgunning and know that every now and then I like to turn an airgun into a project, just for fun and for the challenge of tuning it. This time it was a FX Impact MKII and I wanted to turn it into the ultimate compact setup with a fairly large shotcount without sacrificing power. I still had a 40cm stainless steel barrel from a previous project (the Dreamline Compact with pistol length barrel build):

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The 40cm long barrel on the floor is the barrel that is the centerpiece of this Impact Compact build. The two barrels (20cm and 40cm long) on the photo were actually one piece before the Dreamline build. Specifications of the barrel: Lothar Walther stainless steel .22 barrel without choke with a 1:17.7 twist. It used to be a 18mm thick barrel but to fit in the impact it had to be turned down to 14mm thick. While fitting it in the impact we saw that barrel was just a tad bit too short to fit a moderator to it. The thread came past the scope rail but the end stop of the thread was 2 or 3 mm behind the end of this rail so it couldn't bottom out. Since the thread length was long enough we decided to make an extension piece to move the end stop of the thread 5mm forward so a 30mm moderator could be fitted.

So now that the barrel is chosen the rest of the setup had to be chosen. SInce I bought an Impact M3 one of my MKII impacts 'lost' it's purpose so that was going to be the base. Other items and specs I wanted to include are the following:

  • 300cc bottle
  • extended rail underneath the bottle
  • a foregrip
  • ergo deluxe tactical grip with beavertail
  • lightweight bag rider
  • JSB .22 18.1 grain at 275 m/s (used to be it's favorite speed before machining it down)
  • maximize shotcount
  • get it backyard friendly with sound

First things first to get started:

Stripped the Impact MKII of it's accessories and started collecting the 300cc bottle and extended rail. The extended rail was easily taken care of by a trade with a friend, the 300cc bottle was a different story. Couldn't really find one in europe (out of stock) so Johan Axelsson was kind enough to send one over. Why the Ergo Deluxe Tactical grip? Just because I love to use that for shooting standing and some quick bench work. Since I also wanted to be able to shoot from any underground I decided it needed a bag rider but it needed to be lightweight. I really like my buttstocks with bagrider from PrecisionRifleSystems (from the UK) but they are just too heavy for a build like this so I decided to go with the Saber Tactical lightweight bag rider. To hush the sound a Huma Air moderator was chosen since it gave me the capability to test different setups due to it's modular design. Putting these parts together gives the following result: 

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Since this is a relatively small and compact build with the appearance/style of a french bulldog shotcount becomes a thing. So the first thing to do when it was put together was to determine how to achieve maximum shotcount. I already decided the muzzle velocity had to be close to 275 m/s so I measured the air consumption per shot at different pressures with this fixed muzzle velocity. If you listen to the well known tuning videos on youtube and a lot of comments on forums the lowest air consumption is achieved at approximately the lowest pressure you can reach your velocity. Well sorry guys but this is just not true.... Let me show it to you:

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I've set up the french bulldog on the testbench with a Magnetospeed V3 at the muzzle to accurately measure the velocity. Short recap: fixed muzzle velocity was set at 275 m/s, which means I had to tune it again to the right velocity (including minimizing muzzle velocity spread to below 2 m/s) with each increase in regulator pressure. The result:

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How to do this test you may ask: Fill the gun to a fixed pressure (I used 200 bar) and leave the hose attached without depressurizing it, shoot a magazine (28 shots in this case) and see how far the pressure has dropped. Divide that pressure drop by the amount of shots and you know how much bar / shot is used. Multiply that number by the metric volume of the reservoir (0,3 liter in this case) and you know how much liters of air are consumed per shot. To calculate how many shots you have you take the fill pressure, substract the regulator pressure from the fill pressure and multiply it by the reservoir volume -> this gives you the available amount of liters of air to shoot with. Divide the amount of available liters of air by the consumption of liters per shot and you know the amount of shots you will have. In formulas:

(200 bar - end pressure) / magazine size = bar per shot

bar per shot x volume of reservoir in liters = liters per shot

(fill pressure - reg pressure) x volume of reservoir in liters = available liters of air

available liters of air / liters per shot = amount of shots

So, looking at the bottom line of the graph you can see the air consumption (liters of air per shot) is maximum at the lowest pressure and minimum at the highest pressure -> read: airguns are more efficient with air consumption per shot at higher reg pressures!!

Result of the test is that the reg pressure had to become about 115 bar to maximize shotcount at a muzzle velocity of 275 m/s. I can see you wondering why I would limit myself to a fized muzzle velocity and reg pressure since you would normally tune for best accuracy (by altering barrel harmonics). For one it is that I know this barrel likes this velocity with the 18 grain JSBs and aside from that I just wanted to see if I could get it to shoot the way I want it too (which is accurately of course) -> challenge accepted :)

With the impact there are two ways to reduce / increase velocity to tune apart from regulator pressure; loosen/tighten hammer spring and make the valve spring stiffer or weaker. After about an hour of playing around with these settings I found a setting that worked best and continued with it. It wasn't giving me completely the results I wanted but I had a last asset for both sound and group size tuning -> the Huma modular moderator.

Moderators can make or break your group size; the weight helps in the barrel harmonics but clipping and air distribution will do more to your group size. I used the Huma Mod30 3/1 setup (3 long, filled, chambers and 1 short, empty, chamber), this gives some space to try how many modules are needed and in what configuration. the 40mm long pieces come with the cloth insert and the 20mm long chambers are empty. Huma advises that for airguns with a large blast you take out the felt and hair curler out the first chamber to give it some space to expand. So the ways to play with these moderators is as follows: chamber order can be changed, moderator length can be changed and chambers can be used both filled and empty. Unfortunately I couldn't really take pictures of the testing with the order and filled and empty chambers etc since a friend of mine poluted the whole card with his .25 :( . But I ended up with the following stack:

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First module empty, second 40mm module filled with felt and the hair curler and the third module empty again. Moderators will not change your group size from horrible to the best you've ever seen (unless it was clipping maybe) but they can make that last bit of difference in your group size. So, what is the end result in group size:

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This is including the two sighters I used:

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This is without:

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Recap of the whole story: I think my little project of the french bulldog build turned out quite succesful and learned some new things along the way :) The handling is awesome, sound is better than expected, shoots lights out with plenty of shots and is just one of the most awesome and compact builds I've seen or done!! Last thing to be done is trying to find the right scope for it.....

Some last pictures (some are already posted):

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This picture was taken before I experimented with the Huma moderator.

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The extended Saber tactical picatinny rail was cut down to the right length:

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Great write up buddy. I’ve been waiting for it since I saw the pictures the other day. You’re on Instagram too? What? The gun looks fantastic and certainly looks pretty darn accurate too. I love the analytical approach to all of the research and testing you do. If you want accurate answers to your questions, that’s the way it’s got to be. Good job! Many of us certainly appreciate all of the testing and research you do and are thankful that you’re willing to share it with everybody. It’s always great information! 

As far as regulator pressure and efficiency, I totally agree with you. The lowest regulator pressure is not the most efficient. I think that theory has been perpetuated forever and many just believe that the lower the regulator is set, the less air you’re using. In very simple terms, a quick burst of high pressure air is more efficient than a longer pulse of lower pressure air to achieve the same velocity, it’s much quieter too. There are of course, other variables and there’s more to it than that, but in simple terms, you know what I mean. We’ve been using Sekhmet gauges for over a year now with great results. They make testing this kind of stuff and tuning so much easier for us than in the past. Being able to see how much air you’re using per shot makes it very clear what’s working and what isn’t. 

Great looking Impact and a great write up, thank you!

For those of you not familiar with “Broekzwans” instagram account, you should definitely check it out. There is always a lot of great information for air gunners on his Instagram page. It’s definitely worth taking a look. 

His Instagram account is longrange_airgunning 

Good write up my friend, as usual! Have a good one.

Stoti
 
That is really cool, and also nice explenation. learned allot from it. I also own two of the huma moderators. I have never taken out the felt, I just used the ammount of sections needed to make it quiet enough. But I did notice when I tried to use only the start section on my taipan veteran, the group seemed to open up a litle. Since I had tuned the gun for accuracy with two sections, I went back to that, instead of trying to find another setting.
 
@stoti, thanks man :) Just like you I like to test and sometimes that delivers results which I think are worth sharing. I've had a look at the Sekhmet gauges but haven't ordered them yet, might have to give them a try soon.

@tor47, if it works great I wouldn't do much about it but If you feel like trying it than it's a non-invasive test to remove the felt and give it a shot.

@UCChris, thanks :) It's a funny looking tactical stubby, I think that's the beauty of it.
 
The shot count vs reg pressure graph above is great. That is something I've always wondered about but not had the time to fully explore. I have a couple questions:



  1. is 100 bar the lowest reg pressure you could achieve your 275m/s velocity? (Ex: the '100%' tune point where it is loud and the valve is likely still open when the projectile leaves the barrel)
  2. What strategy of hammer spring vs valve adjuster worked to keep your velocity spread the lowest when running higher reg pressures?
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The shot count vs reg pressure graph above is great. That is something I've always wondered about but not had the time to fully explore. I have a couple questions:



  1. is 100 bar the lowest reg pressure you could achieve your 275m/s velocity? (Ex: the '100%' tune point where it is loud and the valve is likely still open when the projectile leaves the barrel)
  2. What strategy of hammer spring vs valve adjuster worked to keep your velocity spread the lowest when running higher reg pressures?
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  1. 1. At 95 bar I got 273/274 m/s but it was running on the edge so I decided to not really include that. The transfer port in this barrel isn't that big so if I open that up a bit more I could go lower again with my reg pressure.

    2. What I normally do is set the valve adjuster to opened position (least interference) and I adjust the hammer spring to go to the right speed and check the ES, if it's not OK for me I increase the hammer tension a bit and increase the valve spring tension and check it again. In most cases I'll end up at increasing the velocity with the hammer spring bij a few m/s and taking that off again with the valve adjuster. This holds for the impacts with only a spring in the valve adjuster. With the first gens and the M3 there is an end stop in there where you can see when it's engaging in the velocity. If it doesn't touch the end stop during a shot the adjuster will have very little impact on velocity, if it starts to touch it can lead to inconsistent spread in velocity so you want to go just passed this point that it for sure always engages.
 
Love this setup.

Going to set my m3 compact up with the same goals just with slugs.

I crony ed it for the first time and found out its not very efficient. Super accurate tho.

What is your pellet trap made of. If i could do some crony work in the basement it would help get me tuning faster.

I've made mine of multiplex wood with a 1cm thick aluminium backpanel (not the best solution but had that as a scrap piece), inside the trap it's filled with a 15cm thick layer of old sweaters and jeans
 
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The shot count vs reg pressure graph above is great. That is something I've always wondered about but not had the time to fully explore. I have a couple questions:



  1. is 100 bar the lowest reg pressure you could achieve your 275m/s velocity? (Ex: the '100%' tune point where it is loud and the valve is likely still open when the projectile leaves the barrel)
  2. What strategy of hammer spring vs valve adjuster worked to keep your velocity spread the lowest when running higher reg pressures?
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  1. 1. At 95 bar I got 273/274 m/s but it was running on the edge so I decided to not really include that. The transfer port in this barrel isn't that big so if I open that up a bit more I could go lower again with my reg pressure.

    2. What I normally do is set the valve adjuster to opened position (least interference) and I adjust the hammer spring to go to the right speed and check the ES, if it's not OK for me I increase the hammer tension a bit and increase the valve spring tension and check it again. In most cases I'll end up at increasing the velocity with the hammer spring bij a few m/s and taking that off again with the valve adjuster. This holds for the impacts with only a spring in the valve adjuster. With the first gens and the M3 there is an end stop in there where you can see when it's engaging in the velocity. If it doesn't touch the end stop during a shot the adjuster will have very little impact on velocity, if it starts to touch it can lead to inconsistent spread in velocity so you want to go just passed this point that it for sure always engages.


  1. Interesting. On my .30 M3, an increase of reg pressure 1 bar adds ~2fps to the maximum. From your graph, peak shot count is found by taking the 100% point for a target tune speed (95 bar fits that best for this example) and adding 20 bar to the reg. On my M3 this would result in about +40fps to the maximum potential speed at that higher reg point where peak shot count is found.

    If I had a target tune speed of 902fps, and achieved that by finding the 100% reg point for 942fps, then dialing back to 902fps with hammer/valve adjustments, it would put me very close to the peak of your graphs. This would be a 95.8% tune (902/942).

    The little accuracy and chrony testing I did with my 700mm .30 M3 and 44.75gr pellets, I focused solely on the 93-97% tune range. At 50 yards groups were so tight it is a bit hard to judge, but they did seem the tightest with tunes between 95% and 96%. Tunes above 95% the velocity ES was about the same, but it wasn't terrible below 95%. All that testing was done with valve adjuster full out and only manipulating hammer spring preload. I did a very brief test in the beginning with same speed achieved via only hammer spring vs hammer spring+valve and results with valve adjuster in the mix were worse, so I avoided that adjustment completely.

    Now it may be a bit of apples to oranges with a 400mm .22 vs a 700mm .30, but if the ratios are the same or close across calibers and barrel length, it would mean tuning for 95-96% would put you near peak shot count.
 
The shot count vs reg pressure graph above is great. That is something I've always wondered about but not had the time to fully explore. I have a couple questions:



  1. is 100 bar the lowest reg pressure you could achieve your 275m/s velocity? (Ex: the '100%' tune point where it is loud and the valve is likely still open when the projectile leaves the barrel)
  2. What strategy of hammer spring vs valve adjuster worked to keep your velocity spread the lowest when running higher reg pressures?
    [/LIST=1]


  1. 1. At 95 bar I got 273/274 m/s but it was running on the edge so I decided to not really include that. The transfer port in this barrel isn't that big so if I open that up a bit more I could go lower again with my reg pressure.

    2. What I normally do is set the valve adjuster to opened position (least interference) and I adjust the hammer spring to go to the right speed and check the ES, if it's not OK for me I increase the hammer tension a bit and increase the valve spring tension and check it again. In most cases I'll end up at increasing the velocity with the hammer spring bij a few m/s and taking that off again with the valve adjuster. This holds for the impacts with only a spring in the valve adjuster. With the first gens and the M3 there is an end stop in there where you can see when it's engaging in the velocity. If it doesn't touch the end stop during a shot the adjuster will have very little impact on velocity, if it starts to touch it can lead to inconsistent spread in velocity so you want to go just passed this point that it for sure always engages.


  1. Interesting. On my .30 M3, an increase of reg pressure 1 bar adds ~2fps to the maximum. From your graph, peak shot count is found by taking the 100% point for a target tune speed (95 bar fits that best for this example) and adding 20 bar to the reg. On my M3 this would result in about +40fps to the maximum potential speed at that higher reg point where peak shot count is found.

    If I had a target tune speed of 902fps, and achieved that by finding the 100% reg point for 942fps, then dialing back to 902fps with hammer/valve adjustments, it would put me very close to the peak of your graphs. This would be a 95.8% tune (902/942).

    The little accuracy and chrony testing I did with my 700mm .30 M3 and 44.75gr pellets, I focused solely on the 93-97% tune range. At 50 yards groups were so tight it is a bit hard to judge, but they did seem the tightest with tunes between 95% and 96%. Tunes above 95% the velocity ES was about the same, but it wasn't terrible below 95%. All that testing was done with valve adjuster full out and only manipulating hammer spring preload. I did a very brief test in the beginning with same speed achieved via only hammer spring vs hammer spring+valve and results with valve adjuster in the mix were worse, so I avoided that adjustment completely.

    Now it may be a bit of apples to oranges with a 400mm .22 vs a 700mm .30, but if the ratios are the same or close across calibers and barrel length, it would mean tuning for 95-96% would put you near peak shot count.


  1. I'll start a new topic about efficiency tunes, I'll show more examples there ;) The conversations are getting interesting!

    I look more relative to the reg pressure. Because my tunes started at 100 bar it indeed adding 20 bar (=20%) but with different tunes I kept seeing the same 20% coming back which wasn't automatically 20 bars of course



    edit: started a new topic just about tuning for shotcount and efficiency. link