The New GRiFFIN

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    ozone08
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    Hello all just thought id share this news from the Daystate Forum its a production model of the SE griffin its not going to be everyone’s cup of tea but it dose look like a bit of an improvement to the LE.  Also looks like a sneak peak at the new huggett mod.

     sleek beauty the GRiFFIN has style as well as performance in a very Daystate package.

    The Griffin is Daystate’s first fully mechanical target rifle for a number of years. The original Griffin SE responds to popular demand for a more target focused version of our Regal, which can also be used in the field with its 10 shot magazine. Now the new production version uses lessons learned from the SE to produce an equally stunning looking rifle but with some useful enhancements such as a quieter Huggett moderator as standard and a quick adjustable palm rest.

    Price is £1,500.00

    Shots per charge… .177 – 110, .22 – 130 shots @ 12 ft/lbs; 40 @ 30 ft/lbs
    Overall Length… 1166 mm [42 ins]
    Barrel Length… 508 mm [20 ins]
    Air Cylinder Capacity… 144 -162 cc (fac)
    Weight… [unscoped] 4.3 kg [9.47 lbs]
    Available Calibres… .177 [4.5mm] .22 [5.5mm]
    Loading… via bolt
    Magazine… 10-shot rotary, removable (from left or right). Magnetic single-shot loading tray
    Trigger… Mechanical. Adjustable for trigger position, weight and length of stage
    Safety… Manual, rotary
    Stock… ambidextrous, Target stock in black/black laminate
    Standard features…Huggett silencer assembly, palm rest, adjustable cheek piece, 3D adjustable butt pad, adjustable palm rest, chrome cylinder, side pressure gauge.
    Options… left-hand bolt, sling swivels, bipod, FAC Version 18, 30 or 40 fpe

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    amoxom
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    The elephant in the room is the lack of regulator……. For a gun of this price point and intended use, and regardless of the slingshot valve system, regulator is a must.

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    Cliff_Allen
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    Agreed. Their stubbornness in excluding what is in my opinion an extremely important piece of equipment is puzzling to say the least. Like Amoxom said, especially at that price point. The regulator is a must have for me and is a non negotiable on any air rifles I buy in the future. Daystate, please regulate.

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    ozone08
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    It’s even more crucial on a rifle with a 160cc Air Cylinder 40 shots on FAC so you can count on 30 consistent shots at the most why they didn’t put the XL cylinder on it is a bit puzzling.

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    airborne
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    What was their reasoning, to not use a regulator. Maybe account of the slingshot system. I wish there was a after market bolt for the Daystate Regal, to help in the cocking the weapon. Cocking the Regal can be brutal for me. I was hoping for a longer handle on the bolt

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    Erik
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    Matt Dubber compare a Daystate with a regulator gun and although it has a slight power curve Matt does not think the Daystate needs a reg. 

    I am not saying I agree but there you go

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    Cliff_Allen
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    To be fair, Matt Dubber also initially said the same thing about Air Arms and then changed his mind. Also, in one of Matt’s latest posts here, I forget the thread, he said a regulator is now a non-negotiable for him.

    In regards to the Daystate not needing a regulator, he also said that he didn’t like the fact that to achieve the results they get it’s at the expense of a much higher working fill pressure which means the gun uses air less efficiently and you also have to stop shooting at a higher bar to refill the gun sooner. Add to that the fact that even with the Harper valve there is still a curve to the shot string, albeit a lesser one, and it’s hard to make a case that Daystate doesn’t need a regulator.

    I think if one were reading between the lines it comes down to what everyone has been saying for a while, and I think Matt might agree. The Harper sling shot is better than nothing, but it’s no regulator.

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    ajshoots
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    The sling shot is an anti hammer bounce device. FX and many others use a similar device. What is referred to as a Discovery/Marauder SSG or FFH is the same thing. A Hammer Debounce Device. In an unregulated gun, such a device is a great improvement over an unregulated gun with no Debounce device. FX guns and many other regulated guns achieve high efficient shot counts by coupling a regulator with some sort of Debounce device. This is the best of both worlds.

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    Jasonintn
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    Like the looks. Would consider one too. But I am with most every one else here. No regulator no way.

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    John_in_Ma
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    i can’t beleive no one has noticed. Looks like a gussied up brocock to me.

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    zebra
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    The price is in pounds so is it possible that the info is for the UK version? 

    I accidently clicked on a UK review of something the other day and they were talking about getting over 200 shots per fill. It’s a different world at 12ft lb….

    Maybe the specs of the U.S fac version will be altered to reflect the higher power level. The UK version might be fine without a reg if they are achieving more than 50 shots before falling over the curve. 

    On the American version, I would also expect to have one included with an air rifle in that price range but, if I really liked everything else about a rifle, I would consider adding an aftermarket reg. They aren’t that expensive. 

    I wonder what the reason is for not including them on Daystate guns. If anyone meets a Daystate person at a show, please ask them for us.
     

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    zebra
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    Check out the numbers in this thread. This is probably the reason they don’t believe they need a reg:

    /topic/questions-about-the-daystate-regal-xl/

    Those numbers look pretty good and that’s their cheapest rifle. 
     

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    fe7565
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    Looks very good, but heavy at 9.4lbs unscoped.   Even their Pulsar is too heavy.

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    Deja
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    old tech in a gaudy dress. next please

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    zebra
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    “fe7565”Looks very good, but heavy at 9.4lbs unscoped.   Even their Pulsar is too heavy.

    
It looks like a br/ target stock. They are meant to be heavy for stability. That weight is consistent with other br / target rifles made RAW, FX, Steyr etc.

    The extra weight comes from all those adjustable features. They weigh a ton on any stock I have ever seen with them. The adjustable buttplate can weigh 2lb+ on it’s own. Target rifle often use heavier barrels too. 

    Weight is more of a factor on hunting stocks. 

    Btw, I noticed that the stated weight of the pulsar has been adjusted down. Not sure if the original numbers were wrong or if Daystate out the gun on a diet but, if the weight it currently states is accurate, then it’s not heavier than most other bullpup air guns.

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    fe7565
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    Valid points Zebra.  Ironically, I am always practicing bench rest shooting for which I grab my smallest and lightest bullpups because here in the DC area I can only shoot indoors and don’t feel like dragging with me several large and heavy rifle cases/bags.  So my favorite rifle, my Airwolf .22 MVT is barely used. But I just ordered a CF bottle (with 1lbs less weight) from TalonTunes and should be on its way soon. The Daystate factory stock is also heavy, would love to have CF stock for it one day.

     

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    zebra
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    “fe7565”Valid points Zebra.  Ironically, I am always practicing bench rest shooting for which I grab my smallest and lightest bullpups because here in the DC area I can only shoot indoors and don’t feel like dragging with me several large and heavy rifle cases/bags.  So my favorite rifle, my Airwolf .22 MVT is barely used. But I just ordered a CF bottle (with 1lbs less weight) from TalonTunes and should be on its way soon. The Daystate factory stock is also heavy, would love to have CF stock for it one day.

     

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This is why I think manufacturers should focus more on accessories and upgrades as well as new air rifles. 

    I think that people like you, who like to use their air gun for multiple purposes, are the majority (or at least a large percentage). There is a sales opportunity in making a range of additional stocks available for people to buy. 

    Regardless of what type of rifle you buy, you are going to want a high quality barrel, breach and internal components. Once I have those things in a rifle I have invested in, there is no reason I should have buy the same thing again and again. How many 25 cal LW barrels do I really need? [/color] I’d like to take my action and put it in a target stock when I’m shooting from a bench and then drop it into a lightweight hunting stock when I go to the woods.  

      Sorry, not sure why it keeps adding “(color)” to my paragraphs. It’s not there when I go to edit it so I can’t delete it. 

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    fred27022003
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    I sort of did this with an AA S510 .25 ultra light.  Motorhead installed regulator and did some hammer work.     I added an LCD by Neil Clague,  and got  thumbhole and ultimate sporter stocks.    Get 33 40 fpe shots at about 5 % deviation.     50+ with a bit of drop.  I love it.     Very quiet long range rat rifle.

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