The most accurate high power fixed barrel springer/gas ram is....?

Thanks for that Michigander, I don’t want to hijack Iornox’s thread but yes the data you provided shows that there is virtually no difference between the two calibres. Maybe this can help iornox in his search. A 22 cal Hw77 shooting 12 .65 grain Greens is looking pretty good.

Thanks again.

Gary

Windmill, you got me wondering exactly what would be the difference between a .20 and .22 pellet of roughly the same weight if shot from guns having the same muzzle energy. And here is the answer using a .20 caliber BC obtained from my own Harrier data, and the .22 caliber BC from the HAM tables.

Once zeroed for the same distance of 35 yards, trajectories are essentially identical. The only difference I can find is that the .20 pellet, due to higher BC retains more energy at 50 yards, 11.5 fpe versus 9.2 fpe for the .22 pellet, and I doubt the soap could tell the difference. Hopefully that clears things up.

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Sadly there is not nearly the selection of pellets in .20 that there is in .22. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the caliber (.20) but I have only one barrel in my collection and it is not on the Talondor I bought it for ... anyone want a lothar walther .20 12" barrel for a Condor?

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Most accurate springer --------------- John Whiscombe air rifle, but even if you found one, good chance you could't afford to buy it.

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My vote is the Theoben Dual Magnum. It's not for everyone, but I'd easily pick it over a Whiscombe. I own a JW65 & 80 too. Save yourself the headaches and just buy a 30ft. 20BAR PCP. Far superior in every respect. The AA 4xx or 5xx PCP guns will outshoot all the springers/rams in my stable - and I have them all. 

Ironox how’s that new HW97K going.

Gary

Ironox thanks for the update, yes everyone that has one sings it’s praises. It’s good to hear you are enjoying it, there’s not much to complain about with a Weihrauch. When get the chance you’ll have to post a photo of it.

I use the greens straight from the tin and very very rarely get a flyer and if I do it’s only about half an inch away at 30 metres 

The other day a pest bird landed in a tree out the front of our house. It was approx 50 metres away. My ethical shooting distance has always been up to 40 metres but I thought I’d give it a go. Useing the 12.65 grain green Barracuda pellets, one mil dot holdover, the pellet went through the hard part of the wing where the quills are and through the upper side of the chest. It was dead instantly. You really can’t beat these Hw’s for accuracy.

Gary

Personally,it's a toss-up between my .22 Diana 54 (24 fpe) and .20 Beeman RX2 (21 fpe).

Mike

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All you fellows bragging about those high end german and english underlevers, I'm curious to know if they are that accurate for hunting right out of the box or are they all tuned to get to that level of braggery??

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This has been the subject of debate lately, as I suspect many times before. My experience has been that an accurate gun is accurate with or without tune. Perhaps marginally more accurate with the tune. However the tune usually makes the gun much more pleasurable to shoot. 

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Perfect and accurate statement. I would only tune a gun that was accurate to start with. There are exceptions, but a gun that's not accurate out of the box turns into a smooth shooting inaccurate gun, after a tune.