And thanks everyone else, well pretty disappointed that after i moved places from where the feeders are and built a new one I came this morning to see them ripped off the tree and all the seed gone again.
I have an idea where I basically make the feeders a porcupine of 3 inch screws screwed from the back or just cover it in plywood that's been pre screwed. Do that basically all over it, I doubt the squirrels will mind much but it wont be so enticing to the bear if everywhere he touches it its like a porcupine. At work they finished screwing off the floor and had lots of strips of 3 inch coated screws in plastic strips left over and were getting thrown out so I can use those. Wont cost anything but time, what do you guys think of my devious plan? I would also mount the feeder in probably 4 places to a tree with 2x4 thats been given the same porcupine treatment.