The Joys and Pains of a new gun (Anyone else have experience like this?)

I’ll start with, Anyone else have frustrating shooting days like this and what did you do to get past the issues?

OK, so I bit the bullet and bought an Impact. It's a used gun, but good price and such convinced me it was the right one for me.

After waiting nearly 10 days, it arrived. AoA test fired it and it looks really good at 20 yards.


And remember, while I’m doing all this, I don’t have a chrony to really dial in the speeds. Chrony should arrive today, and I’ll be doing chrony work this weekend to get the gun to shoot down to 830 fps or so. I think it’s shooting at 900 or so now, so any accuracy work I do will have to be redone after I get the gun setup.

Took it to the back yard and fired a few rounds to get the scope close. Appeared to be stacking pellets at 48 yards. I'm not that good of a shot. so I used a Lead Sled for initial sighting. Scope Rings are adjustable, so wanted to keep the scope as optically centered as possible.

Now for the real test. Out to the outdoor range with real benches and real targets at 50 and 75 yards. 
Here’s where I probably started making mistakes.

I usually shoot at Lee Kay Range in the North end of Salt Lake. Nice thing is that the 75-yard range has a berm just a few feet behind the 75 yard markers, so I start by shooting dirt clods and watching for dust, and adjusting the scope mounts to get proper range without doing much to the Scope itself.

Then I find I’m not used to the new bipod I just bought and installed. Gun won’t sit level. Spend 15 minutes futzing with the bipod to get the gun relatively level. 

Gun relatively level now, but how do I actually hold this thing? Never really worked with a bullpup style gun before I tried several holds, and really haven’t found one I like yet. That’s probably part of my accuracy problem. I’ll get to accuracy in a minute.

Now that I’ve got it level, and kind of have a hold, that is only sort of OK, I start on the scope. Shooting dirt clods so I can see the puff of smoke. I futz around with this thing enough it falls off the regulator before I really think it’s dialed in. I begin to wonder how many shots ago it fell off the reg because the shots were all over the place and after I aired it back up, POI moved up like a foot. Back to adjusting the rings.

Speaking of airing it up, once you get a hose on an Impact, you can’t get it off without a pry bar like a small screw driver. On the plus side, I figured out that with my Air Venturi bottle regulated at 3000, and the gun regulated, and the gun’s top pressure of 3600 PSI, I can shoot tethered and go for several hundred shots without stopping. Next time I guess.

Finally got rings adjusted, gun seems to be shooting high at 75 yards, so I fugure, heck, this thing has a power wheel. I’m on 3, maybe put it on 2? Wouldn’t you know, that’s one of the few things I did that really worked. Scope is now dead on.

Now moving to reactive targets so I can see exactly where it hits. Remember, I really don’t have a hold for it that works yet. So, my accuracy is, well, not that good. Most shots are hitting a 3-inch bull, but quite a few are hitting elsewhere. At one point, I had a really good group going, though I was aiming at the bull below where the gun was grouping. Back to adjusting the scope again. 

In the end, I was able to get about a 3-inch group going. I believe the bulk of the problems are related to my hold, and just learning the gun. When I was on, I was consistently hitting and grouping well. When I was off, I was consistently getting a 3 to 5-inch group.

Though I made quite a bit of progress on the learning curve, it was a very frustrating day. After about 10 magazines, I’d just decided to pack it in due to frustration and generally getting tired. Only 160 or so rounds down range, but I learned a lot as I tried to place each shot carefully.

What did I learn?
  • Bipods can really foul you up if you don’t have a clue how an Atlas style bipod works.
  • Start with the Chronograph before trying to site it in (Should be here today, so this weekend’s project)
  • New guns of different styles require research on the hold. Holding the gun is really important. I have a long way to go
  • Learn the shot string characteristics as accidentally falling off the reg really fouls up sighting scopes
  • Don't expect perfection first day out
  • And more!
 
Tominco’s series on the Speed Silhouette may be a life saver (thanks!). I intend to try his hold next time I shoot. Maybe that’ll help.

So to repeat, Anyone else have frustrating shooting days like this and what did you do to get past the issues?

 
Here is one thing you can get to make Air connections easy. 

https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shop/quick-coupler-kits-and-parts/sockets/best-fittings-extended-quick-coupler-socket/

they sell to the US the longer coupler is I must for a few of my rifles. 
As far as your shooting goes I would say as long as it’s always improving I wouldn’t worry. I would make sure if I only took 1 rifle with me to range I would definitely have with me tools and parts that can be damaged like orings etc. Nothing worse than having to go home because Rifle won’t shoot.
 
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Hi Saltlake58

Relax. And then relax more, WAKE up.lol

Last 3 years on Bull pups. Now relearning stocked guns , me and my friend Crown .25.

New gun , New scope, adjustable mounts etc etc.

Basics . Chrony work.

I understand your frustration. First time with bp and left tank behind 45 shots get you no where. Still a nice 30 min drive cools one down.
Impact a great gun you will get there.

safe shooting
 
Sounds like you got adjustable rings, which are important for the Impact. Here's where I'd start.
  1. Using a mirror adjust reticle to optical zero
  2. Shoot gun at target at desired zero distance
  3. Adjust rings to get get your pellet hitting pretty close to your zero distance
  4. Make sure all screws are tight
  5. Adjust your turrets to fine tune your zero
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    I once made the mistake of maxing out my elevation turret & my poi was continuously shifting.

    Good luck
 
Just for chuckles, here's an update. Back to the range. Seems to be settling down. Biggest problem is disconnecting the air hose from the gun as the well the nipple sits in is deep and you just can't get the air hose off. AoA sent a new fitting that is easy to remove. So for anyone with an Impact or thinking of getting an Impact, get a tall foster fitting for your air supply or you'll need a screw driver to get the hose off.

Groups are settling down. Still haven't had a chance to chrony the gun, but that should happen Saturday. Chrony arrived earlier this week. I did screw the valve adjuster in quite a bit and it seemed to help with accuracy, 

I think initially I'll sight at 50 yards, then move out from there. The groups were a bit high at current settings, but when I did my part, it was stacking pellets. One magazine had at least 10 through the same hole. I like the gun, though it has taken some getting used to.

The scope works, the rings work, the gun works. I think I'll be doing a lot more shooting.

Just to cost justify the gun (even though I did spend $1500 on it used), I went to the range with my sons. Each spent around $1000 on their new guns. One shooting a 45-70 (better known as a small canon) shot about 60 rounds at $1.25 per round. That is about $80 in ammunition.

The other has a slightly larger hand canon, .50 Beowulf. His gun jammed, so didn't shoot much, but at $1.50 per round, I'm still way ahead.

I figure with air included from the local paintball shop, it's about $.06 per round for me. I shot around 100 times for $6. Doesn't take much ammunition to make up for price differentials. I like Airguns, because I'd rather shoot than go broke.
 
Get a bubble level if you don't already have one. And the Chrono will help A LOT so you know your velocity and where to go for adjustments.

Keep at it. We've all had frustrating days for sure. I jut got my WC25 dialed in this evening after a few trials with different reg settings and hammer spring adjustments.

Please keep us updated. I like your writing style....easy to read and understand whats going on.
 
Progress is the name of the day. 

The long foster fitting - AoA was kind enough to send me an extended Foster fitting but I needed the male end to attach to my air source. The male end came in yesterday. Thought all I had to do was screw them together. Nope, more complex than that. I've never worked with HPA fittings so that took a while. Really didn't want Teflon tape, so tried O-rings and just tightening the fittings as tight as I could get them. Still leaked. Found a paintball video that recommended Blue Thread Lock. Ya know, that stuff works great. Sealed the two fittings together with no fuss and no Teflon tape. $1.99 at Harbor Freight.

Now that I have an extended foster to air up the gun, off to the back yard with the Chrony!

I'd screwed down the valve adjustment enough it was shooting 754 fps, so wanted a little more juice. Spent a couple magazines playing with the adjustment knob and got it to be consistently around 830. That's where I'll start to see how she shoots. I've got enough air in my 90 ci tank to air up the Impact one more time, then off to the paintball shop for a refill. If I'm going to spend $5 per week at the paintball shop, maybe I should just spring for the $225 compressor on eBay. Kinda hate to get into maintaining another device, but might have to if I intend to shoot as much as I want.

Progress! Out to the Range next Saturday if I can and see how it shoots at 50 and 75 yards.

Next, I'll take the trusty old Marauder and tune it now that I have a Chronograph. Nice to have the tools of the trade. . . . . . 
 
Hi Saltlake

Glad you are progressing. 

I live a 2 hour return trip drive for airtank refill.

5 to 7 euros total and have lunch nearby in great surroundings. In France lunch important,, can take the whole day if done properly.
Take both my 300 bar bottles in they fill leave to cool down then they top up so leave, after lunch , with 2 300 bar bottles at appx 310 bar.
At 230 bar appx 2500 shots, plus plenty air for 200 bar fill. A really good reliable compressor would deprive me of a lunch. The lunch is great , how great are these small compressors? Oh and the girl in the dive shop , but that is another story.


Safe shooting
 
Oh my, even here in Utah, I've met a couple French girls. Oh, my. Very pretty girls!

The small compressors work, but noisy, require maintenance, and such, I'll probably keep going the local Paint Ball shop for now. Just don't know where I'd put one. They weigh about 38 pounds (17 Kilos), so not too heavy, but just something else I really don't need.

Here, lunch is such a rush, sort of makes me jealous, taking a couple hours would take me time to learn how to do! I just finished, 20 minutes.

And 2500 shots per fill! that's fantastic. At normal power I'll get around 350 on one tank fill, so either your tanks are bigger than mine, you shoot with a sub-12 FPE gun or both? My tank is the 90 cubic inch (1475cc) Air Venturi, so almost any tank will be larger. 2500 shots would last me a couple months of good shooting.

Now, I just need more time on the shooting range. Maybe next Saturday . . . . . . . .

Safe shooting!
 
Back to the range this morning. Things are looking up. Do have more to learn, like how to hold the gun. Working on several different ways to hold it, but nothing feels comfortable yet.

Group size, 2 inch groups at 50 yards. Doesn't seem like very good, but 20 mph winds today, just about blew the targets out of the county, and they were 30 shot groups. I was extremely happy. I won't stretch out to 75 or 100 yards for a while, but will continue to work on the basics at 50 yards.

Wind gusts were enough that I could see the cross hairs shift when I'd get hit with a gust.

Overall, really happy, 

Oh, and on the cheapskate side, my day of shooting cost a total of about $20, and that included $5 for my son to shoot with me. He shot a 45-70, 40 rounds, shoulder hurts, and spent around $50 for ammunition. I like airguns!
 
Great adventure. I just got into pcp with a super cheap benny wildfire. Put a scope on it and got it grouping to an inch but the scope I got sits way to far forward and has way to short eye relief. I ordered and extention rail and had to change the scope mount from 11 to.20mm as the extention was a 11 to 20 adapter also. So I remounted the scope last night and proceed to zero in. 150 shots and 3 tank fills (im a pumper) im still not even sure where the pellets are hitting. I never even dreamed that raising the scope half and inch and sliding it back.2 inches could change zero so bad. 50 more shots and I was finally back in the ballpark and the final 50 shots were back to my usual grouping. Then just cause i needed to deflate myself even more I dragged out my Phantom springer and ran 50 shot thru it. Amazingly enough that thing shot like match rifle. I have struggled with this gun for a long time and it is finally (or more likely im finally) coming around. So yea I feel your pain. My only saving grace is that I live in a rural area and shoot right off my porch into my side yard and dont have to worry about the neighbors or police or anything.