DAYSTATE REPORT

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I get a kick out of all the people that talk trash about the Daystate electronic platforms and they have never owned or operated one. World is probably still flat to them as well. I own 4 different manufacturers guns and I see good and bad in all of them. I love shooting all my Daystates, the newest being a RW HP it is just crazy accurate and a pleasure to use while embarrassing my buddy on extreme shots. If Daystate could work on getting the Renegade to shed a couple lbs of weight they could capture all the Wildcat people. Fiber shroud? Fiber bottle? 
 
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My sentiments exactly, Hookster! I have owned and operated a wide range of both mechanical and electronic AG platforms, and there really is no substitute for an electronic system. By far, the higher rate of component degradation and failure occurs with mechanical systems vis-a-vis electronic ones. It's not even close! Not only that, the microprocessor-controlled designs out-perform the mechanical paradigms across the board, hands-down (i.e., long-term SD, shot count, stealth, long-term consistent reliability, software upgrades). Sure, the initial cost is higher, but in the long-run, electronic platforms are actually a better value.

Daystate is on the cutting edge of electronically-controlled AG platforms. It is constantly engaged in R&D. I agree with you that perhaps it should do a little more innovation in material improvements such as CF components to reduce weight. The Pulsar HP is almost two pounds heavier than my Wildcat, but I've humped heavier. Progress marches on!
 
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The majority of shooters that run down DS electronic rifles have most probably never ever fired one. 

Mom blessed that I own all of Daystatea electronic rifles bar the Pulsar but I’m not that fussed as I have the Oro and the Red Wolf. I will own the Red Wolf shortly though I’m just waiting until DS announce what they are bringing out new in October.

The only issue I have had my my electronic ones is a battery passing away out hunting annoying but easily fixed with a new one and a leak on my Oro.
 
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Just picked up a huntsman regal xl HR ...damn this name is wayyyyyy to long lol. Anyway I have to put it through it's paces yet but seems to be a nice addition to the herd.
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Ive handled the standard and the XL and there is a big difference in the balance, the standard to me feels much nicer, but of course shot count is quite a bit down. Maybe buy a standard tube and see how you get on. 



Tony
 
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AnimalHitman.... I’m loving my Red Wolf .22 but yearning to add a lightweight and short bull pup to my mix.

Being very familiar with my electronic Red Wolf, I considered and handled the Pulsar, but was dismayed by the very heavy weight, top-heavy, and rear-located cocking lever. For those reasons, the Wildcat II is really looking appealing to me - very light weight, side lever above the trigger, possible ability to change calibers? (If Pulsar was lighter, with cocking lever above the trigger, I’d be thrilled about it.)

Yet you, having a Wildcat II, seem as though you can’t wait to be rid of it (mechanical design) and yearn for a Pulsar.

Can you elaborate, please, on what was so bad about your experience with the Wildcat that would make you prefer the very heavy weight of the Pulsar with the rear located side lever? 
 
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DHart:

I had a Wildcat Mk1 .25. (She shipped out today.) I loved my WC! But, you nailed the issue when you used the word mechanical. I used to own a Pulsar .25, pre-HP days. I loved the fully-electronic platform, but at the time, I was obsessed with power. And the standard Pulsar .25 @ 41 ft# was too anemic for me. So, I went to an Impact .30, then to a RAW HMx .357 (130 ft# regulated). But, when doves started to explode, I realized that less is more! Plus, I couldn't find good hunting rounds (hollow-points) for the larger calibers.

When Daystate came out with the Pulsar HP line, I rejoiced! The Pulsar HP .25 delivers the same energy as the Wildcat .25 (approx. 50 ft#). This is ideal for me for small game and I can shoot my cherished Hunter Extremes. Now I'm obsessed with stealth. I want to get away from the cocking noise and hammer smack of the mechanical actions. My DonnyFL Emperor suppressor takes care of the business end, now I want to care of the action end. Further, solid-state electronics perform better than mechanical systems and are less prone to component degradation and failure. Add much better air management (higher shot count) and lower SD (better accuracy), and there really is no comparison.

To address your weight and the so-called cocking (there's no cocking involved with an electronic action) lever placement issues, the Pulsar is less than two pounds heavier than the WC, and the electronic cycling system can be actuated with your pinky; there's no mechanical resistance. I know from experience that it is not an issue cycling a round in the chamber without losing your sight picture. To me "top-heavy" is a plus. It keeps the muzzle stable and enhances accuracy.

I dispute the premise of your inquiry somewhat in that my experience with the WC was not "so bad." Quite the contrary, I absolutely loved my Kitty Kat! It's just that now, IMO, an electronic platform is superior to a mechanical one. That's all. Airgun preferences are just that, a preference. It is a highly-subjective dynamic. Every shooter has his/her own unique set of needs and wants. I appreciate you inquiry; it raises many legitimate issues. Thanks :)
 
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DHart:

I had a Wildcat Mk1 .25. (She shipped out today.) I loved my WC! But, you nailed the issue when you used the word mechanical. I used to own a Pulsar .25, pre-HP days. I loved the fully-electronic platform, but at the time, I was obsessed with power. And the standard Pulsar .25 @ 41 ft# was too anemic for me. So, I went to an Impact .30, then to a RAW HMx .357 (130 ft# regulated). But, when doves started to explode, I realized that less is more! Plus, I couldn't find good hunting rounds (hollow-points) for the larger calibers.

When Daystate came out with the Pulsar HP line, I rejoiced! The Pulsar HP .25 delivers the same energy as the Wildcat .25 (approx. 50 ft#). This is ideal for me for small game and I can shoot my cherished Hunter Extremes. Now I'm obsessed with stealth. I want to get away from the cocking noise and hammer smack of the mechanical actions. My DonnyFL Emperor suppressor takes care of the business end, now I want to care of the action end. Further, solid-state electronics perform better than mechanical systems and are less prone to component degradation and failure. Add much better air management (higher shot count) and lower SD (better accuracy), and there really is no comparison.

To address your weight and the so-called cocking (there's no cocking involved with an electronic action) lever placement issues, the Pulsar is less than two pounds heavier than the WC, and the electronic cycling system can be actuated with your pinky; there's no mechanical resistance. I know from experience that it is not an issue cycling a round in the chamber without losing your sight picture. To me "top-heavy" is a plus. It keeps the muzzle stable and enhances accuracy.

I dispute the premise of your inquiry somewhat in that my experience with the WC was not "so bad." Quite the contrary, I absolutely loved my Kitty Kat! It's just that now, IMO, an electronic platform is superior to a mechanical one. That's all. Airgun preferences are just that, a preference. It is a highly-subjective dynamic. Every shooter has his/her own unique set of needs and wants. I appreciate you inquiry; it raises many legitimate issues. Thanks :)
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AHM... thanks so much for clarifying your position on the Wildcat. And your desire to obtain the quietest “action” possible for your hunting needs.

I’m encouraged at your appreciation for the Wildcat, as for myself a Wildcat II .25 seems like just what I would want. I don’t need the extreme quiet that you are seeking, and would much prefer the lighter weight of the Wildcat MkII vs the Pulsar - sweet as the Pulsar is!!

Did the business end of your Wildcat get nice and quiet with a good moderator on it?
 
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DHart; oh yes, absolutely! I tried both the DonnyFL Sumo and Emperor on my WC. All I could hear was the hammer smacking the valve and the pellet hitting the pelt! If compact and lightweight with plenty of punch for any small game animal out to 100+ yards is what you're looking for, the WC .25 is for you! In fact, at the time I bought my WC, that's exactly what I was looking for. And she didn't disappoint. You'll love the WC. I particularly like the negative space in the stock for grabbin' her out of the scabbard or carrying her around. She is the most accurate gun I've ever shot. In fact, I got an SD of only 1.81 from my WC out-of-the-box! My Pulsar delivered 2.12.

An aspect of the electronic platform that I appreciate is that it will hold the SD consistent over a very long period because there are very little mechanical components to break-in. After I shot two tins of pellets through my WC to season the hammer spring, I ran another shot string. The SD had now risen to 2.92 (still very respectable) and I lost a little cheese on the energy (48.47 ft# down from 49.58 ft#). Now this is really a very small change; and like I said, the primary reason I went electronic was to get rid of the hammer smack.


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Here is a question for you all. It's a rather stupid question regarding the Pulsar. I should know the answer to this as I used to own a Pulsar. Here's the question: Can I leave the Pulsar "cocked" as it is an electronic action? In other words, should I discharge the gun after cycling the "cocking" lever to prevent damage to the gun? (I put cocking in quotes because the Pulsar is not cocked in a mechanical sense.)
 
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Wow, Kdog; it doesn't get much better than that! I hope my numbers are that good with my new Pulsar HP .25. I shot only one pellet across my Chrony, but she registered a respectable 895.4 fps with the 28.24 gr H&N Hunter Extreme (50.27 ft#). I need to get my tank filled before I can run a full shot string because that shot gave me a low pressure warning. She had only 173 bar on her when she arrived from AOA and I expended several shots just checking for clipping on my moderator and testing the trigger.

I live in IB; where in SoCal are you? ('Kdog" was the tip-off ;-).)
 
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