DAYSTATE REPORT
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On the bits programming... I converted my .22 Hp to a 177Hp to test some barrels and initially duplicated my wife's 177Hp settings. The bits were quite different as it used a lot less air for the 177 and went lower in the charge. Initial testing showed velocity with 16.1s at 815 at 240 bar on HP then up to 880 on 200 bar then trending downward from there. I messed around with the bits for a while but never really got a flat curve. I reset them to original and used the method described in the AOA how to video to lower all settings equally. Was able to get a flat curve at the velocity I wanted.
I understand that Daystate has a MUCH more detailed programming procedure when they initially set them up, so I would guess that is why each rifle is different and they have figured out the right balance for it all. I don't think it will hurt anything to mess with the bit settings.... just make notes so you can go back.
Bob
I understand that Daystate has a MUCH more detailed programming procedure when they initially set them up, so I would guess that is why each rifle is different and they have figured out the right balance for it all. I don't think it will hurt anything to mess with the bit settings.... just make notes so you can go back.
Bob
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Bingo. Record original factory settings, make changes, evaluate results and you can always go back to original settings if you have them. It saved me twice so far.
Bet wishes.
The other Mark B.
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Thank you for the FYI. I see some of my posts may have been better placed there, others not so much. In any event, bookmarked and "Subscribe" checked.
Best wishes.
The other Mark B.
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OK - just to break up the RW monopoly.....
After reviewing the EBR results and convo's, I decided I needed to order some of the 22cal redesigned JSB Jumbo Monster's to feed my Pulsar.
The gun does have a POI shift of down about 0.3" at 35yds compared to it's usual diet of the 18.13g JSB Jumbo Heavies but boy did my groups tighten!
I like them!
After reviewing the EBR results and convo's, I decided I needed to order some of the 22cal redesigned JSB Jumbo Monster's to feed my Pulsar.
The gun does have a POI shift of down about 0.3" at 35yds compared to it's usual diet of the 18.13g JSB Jumbo Heavies but boy did my groups tighten!
I like them!
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My Wolverine "R" impressed a large number of my golfing buddies, when at a gathering, after a round, I set up paintballs at 30 yards on golf tees and had an elimination contest. If you missed, you were out.
Some guys that have rarely shot before hung in there pretty tight but the victor was a good ole' boy from Virginia that has done a good deal of shooting in his day. I excluded myself from the festivities.
Every one of them couldn't get over how accurate an air rifle (I called it my BB gun as not to ruffle the feathers of some the liberal "educators" that were there) could be. After they were finished shooting, I set up 5 paint balls, loaded the magazine and proceeded to rapid fire them into oblivion.
About then the questions aimed at cost came to play and the answer seemed to quenched a lot of the flames that were burning before hand. I had to remind some of them about the amount of money they spent on golf clubs and accessories in the recent past. Touche
Some guys that have rarely shot before hung in there pretty tight but the victor was a good ole' boy from Virginia that has done a good deal of shooting in his day. I excluded myself from the festivities.
Every one of them couldn't get over how accurate an air rifle (I called it my BB gun as not to ruffle the feathers of some the liberal "educators" that were there) could be. After they were finished shooting, I set up 5 paint balls, loaded the magazine and proceeded to rapid fire them into oblivion.
About then the questions aimed at cost came to play and the answer seemed to quenched a lot of the flames that were burning before hand. I had to remind some of them about the amount of money they spent on golf clubs and accessories in the recent past. Touche
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Check out this shot string from 230 bar to 160 bar, 180 shots, constantly decending. Any body ever lower the high pressure pulse and raise the low pressure pulse to flatten such a curve? Plus the dealer programmed the gun before shipping it to me. I used my programmer to copy the data in the gun. On high power, the high pressure point is 250 bar, mid pressure is 220 bar and low pressure is 195 bar, way too tight, i guess the intent was to refill at 195 bar, not practical for a .177 which will shoot with 19 ft-lbs all the way to 130 bar, Iwhich my MK IV and Airwolf MVT would do. I asked the dealer for the original data, no reply. If you can change the pressure points what do you do with the bits?
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Just reporting some findings.
My RW .22HP shoots the 21.14 H&N Baracuda Match and the JSB 25.39 RD pellets with similar accuracy, at 35 yards, at all three power levels. It also shoots the 18.14 JSBs and 14.3 gr Cps, on LOW power, quite accurately. What a pleasure it is to shoot this rifle! And a really great shot count on LOW power, as well.
I plan to do some testing with the chrony and 15.89 gr JSBs tomorrow.
My RW .22HP shoots the 21.14 H&N Baracuda Match and the JSB 25.39 RD pellets with similar accuracy, at 35 yards, at all three power levels. It also shoots the 18.14 JSBs and 14.3 gr Cps, on LOW power, quite accurately. What a pleasure it is to shoot this rifle! And a really great shot count on LOW power, as well.
I plan to do some testing with the chrony and 15.89 gr JSBs tomorrow.
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Yeah. What he said. The Viton 75 is the way to go. I put about 500-1000 rounds on it before ebr, then shot ebr with it and still have the same o'ring. I have a few extras too.
Crusher
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Ocedummy.... you didn't mention what your rifle is. To answer your question... yes, I've made those changes but if you are shooting a 177 HP, the settings sound WAY off. I can give you the settings in both our HPs but as I mentioned earlier, each rifle is different. It WOULD be preferable to have the original settings. It seems to me that for the 19 Ft/lb area, your mid pressure will need to be around 180 and low around 115. Just basing it loosely on what our HPs are set up like.
Bob
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It is a standard not hp, going to use for field target. I need to reprogram because the three pressure points on high power are 250, 220 and 195 bar, NFG. Tomorrow I am going to run a string on low power to see if that could possibly be a flat line. Would still like to see what other standard .177 RW settings are on other guns.
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I don't have them for a Standard. Seems like someone at AOA should be able to help but the point was really about the mid and low pressures should be MUCH lower.
Bob
Bob
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If I lower the pressure point to something like 230, 180 and 125, what happens to the bits? You’ll notice I suggest the high pressure as 230 as I will never fill to 250. Right now 200 down to 140 will give over a hundred shots at 19 fpe
I did a string today on medium power and there was a section of 60 shots that would be good enough for field target. However this string was also declining from the start but not as bad as the high power string. Same problem, need to lower high pressure pulse and raise the low pressure pulse. The drama continues.
I did a string today on medium power and there was a section of 60 shots that would be good enough for field target. However this string was also declining from the start but not as bad as the high power string. Same problem, need to lower high pressure pulse and raise the low pressure pulse. The drama continues.
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I'm no expert as my Red Wolf is an HP. That being said what if you change "High Pressure". "Mid Pressure" and "Low Pressure" "bits" back to settings near those with other 177 rifles and experiment with "High Pulse", "Mid Pulse" and "Low Pulse" velocity settings. By experiment I mean make an incremental pulse change up or down for all three "High Pulse", "Mid Pulse" and "Low Pulse"settings, shoot 25 or 50 shot strings, plot the string, see results and repeat as needed.
Again, I'm no expert and I may have missed something significant in your previous postings so I may be way off base here. My apologies if so.
Best wishes.
Mark B.
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Ocedummy... the bit settings are to create a pressure curve in the computer. You really should start with the Hi at 250 from my understanding. The Hi, mid and low dictate the compensation it applies at any given pressure.
Bob
Bob
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Well, I was hoping that the mid power data had not been screwed up to much so I ran a string from 217 bar to 168, over a hundred shots. Bummer, just like the hi power curve, constantly decreasing. The dealer who programmed it got back to me, he does not have the original data.
Next is to run the low power string and hope for a miracle.
Next is to run the low power string and hope for a miracle.
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Daystate do have an airgun database on there website. You can log in and see some basic info on your particular gun. As they are selling the programmer and the factory data is so important it should be kept there so owners can retrieve it themselves if need be.
This is bound to come up again as more people are going to want to tune there guns and they are trying to make it easier for people to do that. Also in the future if a gun is sold the new owner they could go back and get the original settings
Otherwise as I understand you have to go back to the dealer who in turn has to contact Daystate for the data. Having the data available may end up saving a lot of work and frustration for everyone.
This is bound to come up again as more people are going to want to tune there guns and they are trying to make it easier for people to do that. Also in the future if a gun is sold the new owner they could go back and get the original settings
Otherwise as I understand you have to go back to the dealer who in turn has to contact Daystate for the data. Having the data available may end up saving a lot of work and frustration for everyone.
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