Texan .257 at 200 Yards 86.5gr Cast Bullets

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    Loren
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    We had a pretty calm evening this last Friday and made it out to the range again to shoot 200 yards.  Winds 4-5mph so not bad at all.

    Shooting 86.5gr Spitzers from my Arsenal mold.    Anyone ever do any trigger work on a Texan?  It's kind mushy.  

    Data is from OnTarget software.

    I want to do better!!  More practice and trigger time is needed.

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    Steelhead707
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    Nice group. Are you lubing your bullets? That made a big improvement for me. Are you sizing as well? The one time I had my Texan apart to add the Mad Dog stock I did a trigger adjustment. My next test is going to be with/without the moderator and also with/without the Witt's muzzle brake. I've done these scenarios before but not with the fine tuned cast bullets I have now that are proven winners.

     

    One thing that was shown to me by a fellow AGN member that I shot with a few weeks ago was the difference between my lower end ($200-ish) optic and a higher end ($600-ish) optic. The parallax adjustment made a big difference and I learned something that day. My Hawke Vantage is fine for basic hunting and target shooting, as is my tactical $120.00  BSA model scope, but I'm sacrificing some grouping at distance because of it.

     

    Looks like you've got the consistency and now you're into the fine tuning.

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    Loren
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    Thanks!  The bullets have a very very light case lube on them I used for sizing.  What are you using for AG bullet lube?

    I did little shooting without the supressor and then with.  Not a real notice different at first glance.  I have thought about having a muzzle brake threaded to fit the DonnyFL muzzle adapter.  The 1/2-20 thread is odd in the PB world so have not found anything off the shelf.

    I powder coated a few this evening to see how they shoot.  Eastwood Copper Penny or Candy Orange…I dont recall which one I had in the tub.

    Have an Athlon mid grade scope and a Cold Shot M.O.A.B. mount so scope is optically centered.  It could use a better scope, but it is good enough for now.

     

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    T3PRanch
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    1/2-20 UNF Taps and Dies common on E-Bay and Amazon. I have 2 sets because I usually make a new less "square" looking thread cover out of Moly Filled Nylon for my Donny Adapters

    Your stitching on that bottle cover always reminds me of a baseball!

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    I said the 1/2-20 UNC thread is odd in the PB (powder burner) world because it seems most muzzle brakes are threaded with 1/2-28 UNF.  Witt Machine does give the option to have it threaded in 1/2-20 so I may go that route.  

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    jamlet
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    Loren it may be old news to others but I always refused to buy a air force gun because of the furniture. Did you build that your self or what. I just purchased a RAW from Sarg last night that stock would have made me consider a air force. Just curious thanks James

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    Loren
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    James, I felt the same was about the Airforce guns.  Just too utilitarian and not in a good way IMHO.  After doing some research though the Texan .257 just seemed to be the right platform for "long range" shooting for me.  So I fixed the ugly issue by making my own stock.  Here is the build thread.

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/airforce-texan-the-making-of-a-custom-wood-stock/

    and one for my Condor too.

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/custom-wood-stock-making-for-airforce-condor/

    One of my sons and I did some more shooting with it yesterday evening with the PC bullets.  It did well.  Will have to post up some photos later.

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    jamlet
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    You did a outstanding job, airforce may get some of my money now that I have seen yours.

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    steveoh
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    I love my .257 Texan with MadDog stock and Clague Shroud. It’s a hoot to shoot starting at a 100 yards and going way beyond. 

    Just remember to clean your barrel often, because these things are prone to fouling.

    My favorite bullet so far is a home cast 257420 72 grain Arsenal (Lyman Clone). 

    Good stuff!

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    steveoh
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    Latest incarnation with Clague Shroud and BSA scope

     

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    Loren
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    jamlet

    You did a outstanding job, airforce may get some of my money now that I have seen yours.

    Thanks!!

     

    steveoh

    Just remember to clean your barrel often, because these things are prone to fouling.

    My favorite bullet so far is a home cast 257420 72 grain Arsenal (Lyman Clone). 

    Good stuff!

    That is why I was trying the powder coated bullets.  I cleaned the barrel today and there was no lead fouling.  🙂 My groups were consistent with the uncoated bullets and my son did even better.  I did shot off a rest instead of the bipod.  Nice to see no difference in the groups.  

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    I have the Arsenal 257420 and Lyman 257420 molds.  I need to get some of them powder coated and see how they do at 200 yards.  At 50 yards the 86gr do just a little better.

    I ordered a muzzle brake to see it that will help improve the groups.  

    It's all fun !!

     

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    Kinetic45
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    Are you baking the powder coated bullets? They don't look like it.

    My testing did not get much of anything out of just using the plain powder. Not much fouling but no assist in accuracy either!

    And the Harbor Freight powder was terrible, but the Eastwood stuff did much better, who knows why.

     

    Try some 10wt synthetic motorcycle shock oil… put 50 clean, sized bullets in a baggie, put in 4 or 5 drops of oil and mush it around to coat all of them.  Shoot and see what your accuracy is. this is kind of a standard you can compare too. (FP-10 or Accuracy Oil works too but are more expensive)

    Also, a bottle of bicycle chain wax from Krytech or White Lightnening gives a wax coat that is a good lube… again a few drops is all you need (Some Walmart's sell it)

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    Loren
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    Yes, they have been baked.  I know not real pretty.  I think it is the candy colors being light on pigment and heavy on clear in the resin mix.

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    jamlet
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    Steveoh That is also a very nice looking rig. More of a wood furniture person myself but that is defiantly a rifle you could take home to mama.

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    Loren
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    Muzzle brake from Witt Machine arrived today.  Installed and dry fired and it does a great job of taking the little bit of recoil the rifle has an near eliminates it all together.

    Darn weather is not looking the best for range time this weekend so not sure when I will get to really try it out.

     

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    jamlet

    Steveoh That is also a very nice looking rig. More of a wood furniture person myself but that is defiantly a rifle you could take home to mama.

    Mad Dog usually makes their stocks from Poplar with Bed Liner all weather finish BUT they will make a stock from any wood you desire for a reasonable price! Go there and look at their gallery page.

    IMHO AirForce should partner up with MadDog and offer his stocks as a factory option! AF had some new stuff planned but then they purchased RAW and everything got shelved!

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    jamlet
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    T3PRanch I will probably have to bump back any more rifle purchases for a while just purchased a RAW I can only sneak so many in at a time. But I just flat did not know that a AirForce could look like that. I went on MadDogs site and you are right they do have some nice ones. I could definitely have one with the wood like Loren's and like it.

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    I have the Mad Dog Raptor on two of my Texans, 45, 357 and looking at getting a .257 this summer, I followed Loren’s wood stock post and started on making my own but health and some other things took precedence, hopefully I’ll get them ruff cut out so I can put one on the .257.

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    Loren
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    I have been shooting tethered using the Huma external adjustable regulator.  I found the big bores consume more air than the little Huma can flow effectively and with it the reg pressure drops off and then is slow to recover.  If my shooting pace was quick is could  not keep up with the set pressure, so would adjust it up, but then if shooting slowed or was paused then the reg pressure would go high.  For me it just is not the ideal piece of hardware for tethering a big bore for target shooting.  

    I ordered parts and put new regulator together.  

    I did a bunch of shooting across the chronograph to see how the regulator performed at holding pressure and providing consistant results from the Texan.  I am really pleased with the results.  Here is the data from three of my cast bullets.  I was not getting velocities this tight with the smaller Huma Reg.  I hope this improves my groups. 

    64 Gr   72 Gr   86 Gr  
    63.6   71.3   85.9  
    63.8   70.1   85.9  
    63.8   70.8   86.1  
    64   70.8   85.8  
    63.7   71   86  
    63.78 Avg 70.8 Avg 85.94 Avg
               
    2000 PSI          
    64Gr 171.8 FPE 72Gr   86Gr  
    1011   983   912  
    1009   979.9   904.3  
    1012   988.8   912.6  
    1012   981.1   910.2  
    1014   981.5   909.4  
    1011   982.4   907.6  
    1013   989.7   907.2  
    1011   984   914.4  
    1013   982.8   913.7  
    1016   983.2   912.4  
    1012.2 Avg 983.64 Avg 910.38 Avg
    1016 Max 989.7 Max 914.4 Max
    1009 Min 979.9 Min 904.3 Min
    7 Delta 9.8 Delta 10.1 Delta
               
    2200 Psi          
    64Gr   72Gr   86Gr  
    1042   1011   950.3  
    1038   1012   945  
    1044   1008   948.2  
    1044   1007   945.7  
    1044   1010   942  
    1044   1010   945.5  
    1040   1014   941.3  
    1045   1011   941.2  
    1046   1009   946  
    1048   1010   949.4  
    1043.5 Avg 1010.2 Avg 945.46 Avg
    1048 Max 1014 Max 950.3 Max
    1038 Min 1007 Min 941.2 Min
    10 Delta 7 Delta 9.1 Delta
               
    2400 Psi          
    64Gr   72Gr   86Gr  
    1073   1036   981.1  
    1076   1039   979.1  
    1076   1038   982.5  
    1079   1043   977.8  
    1078   1039   981.9  
    1080          
    1077 Avg 1039 Avg 980.48 Avg
    1080 Max 1043 Max 982.5 Max
    1073 Min 1036 Min 977.8 Min
    7 Delta 7 Delta 4.7 Delta
               
    2600 Psi          
    64Gr   72Gr   86Gr  
    1099   1066   999.8  
    1100   1063   999.7  
    1101   1063   1001  
    1105   1070   1001  
    1102   1071   1001  
    1101.25 Avg 1065.5 Avg 1000.375 Avg
    1105 Max 1070 Max 1001 Max
    1099 Min 1063 Min 999.7 Min
    6 Delta 7 Delta 1.3 Delta
               
    2800 Psi          
    64Gr 184.1FPE 72Gr   86Gr  
    1139   1099   1033  
    1141   1100   1029  
    1141   1101   1035  
    1139   1101   1032  
    1140   1105   1037  
        1112   1035  
    1140 Avg 1101.2 Avg 1033.2 Avg
    1141 Max 1105 Max 1037 Max
    1139 Min 1099 Min 1029 Min
    2 Delta 6 Delta 8 Delta
               
    3000 Psi          
    64Gr 192.43 FPE 72Gr 197.39 FPE 86Gr 210.92 FPE
    1160   1117   1050  
    1167   1121   1048  
    1164   1120   1050  
    1171   1120   1051  
    1166   1124   1057  
    1165.5 Avg 1120.4 Avg 1051.2 Avg
    1171 Max 1124 Max 1057 Max
    1160 Min 1117 Min 1048 Min
    11 Delta 7 Delta 9 Delta
               
               
               
    3000 Psi At 15 yards        
    64Gr   72Gr   86Gr  
    1118   1091   1029  
    1120   1089   1029  
    1122   1093   1027  
    1119   1091   1031  
    1123   1091   1029  
    1120.4 Avg 1091 Avg 1029 Avg
    1123 Max 1093 Max 1031 Max
    1118 Min 1089 Min 1027 Min
    5 Delta 4 Delta 4 Delta

     

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    Loren
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    Was able to get out to the range today with the new regulator.  It was worth the MONEY!!!

    Some results from today at 200 yards.  Winds 7-10.

    Kind of getting it sorted out.

    8 inch target

    1 inch squares

    Nailed it!! Time to go home on a high note….lol

    At this point I think my bi-pod is causing some of the vertical spread.  Started practicing some different pressures on the bi-pod.  I will have to try it off the bench rest support  and see if the vertical spread decreases.  

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