Tactical Training with an Airgun?! – New Video Series

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    Michael
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    If you're bored with just shooting off the bench and you wanna get some tactical training in the privacy of your own backyard, then come along with me and lets do something pneu!

    Here's a few videos to get you started with your Tactical Tuesday

     

     

     

    Enjoy

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    RJGTA
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    Michael,

    You are an idea wizard! 

    I really enjoyed that!

    That is a great demonstration of some of what the Leshiy 2 is capable of doing! Definitely beats the boredom!

    Thanks for running those drills with the L2!  Impressive for sure! And I really loved watching! More! Can't get enough of the Edgun Leshiy2!!! 

    Thank you! – RJ

     

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    Hmmm… Last month I got reamed for mentioning that airguns COULD BE SELF DEFENSE WEAPONS. and that I must never suggest that they could be used as self defense machines… Seems it depends who chooses to post it… A bit hypocritical… NO?

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    jennamber2

    Hmmm… Last month I got reamed for mentioning that airguns COULD BE SELF DEFENSE WEAPONS. and that I must never suggest that they could be used as self defense machines… Seems it depends who chooses to post it… A bit hypocritical… NO?

    This is a training series.  Wherein an airgun can be used to hone many cross-over skills.  Skills that most people would never be able to practice with a firearm unless they had access to a specialized training area.

    In no way, shape or form would I ever suggest using an airgun for self defense.  Please watch the videos before you decide to comment on something you are unfamiliar with.

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    Odoyle
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    Great videos thanks for sharing! The Leshiy2 looks real fun to shoot!

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    Joekrooz
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    Cool! 😎

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    GeneT
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    Now we just need a shot timer that works with airguns.  Great idea.

    GsT

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    Odoyle
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    Nothing wrong with using airguns as self defense TRAINING TOOLS only. Many promote this including gun manufacturers such as Sig and Umarex where firearms aren't safe nor practical to practice with at home.

     

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    Willie14228
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    We use Airsoft pistol for training drills 

    as a matter of fact we had two fire Marshal police come over to our place to check the camera’s for an arson case next door, 

    seeing that one of the officers service side arm was a glock I told them about one of our practice to protect units and asked him to look it over and compare it to his 

    he was very impressed with the unit as a whole weight trigger pull and mechanics 

    Here are the facts of using quality systems like this for drills and training

    Safer when running unfamiliar drills a bruise compared to a hole 

    Cheaper, you can shoot thousands of rounds in Airsoft for the price of one box of ammo

    Easier location, you can train in your backyard or even a back room 

     

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    Yes, both Airsoft/Paintball & Airguns have their strong points.  For example: Airsofters & Paintballers can be used in life-like multi-person training drills where you can actually shoot at each other.  You'd never want to shoot at anyone with an airgun.  However, an airgun can be used for much more precise and much longer distance shooting.

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    Umarex has some very systems for this both in BB and Airsoft they even include a open chamber when the slide is pulled allowing for a proper safety check procedures 

    There are some issues that the shooter needs to be aware of when practicing 

    spaghetti arm, shooters can allow their grip to become to loose due to the low recoil. Application of a good combat grip can increase your return to target but you have to make yourself keep your arms and grip firm when using the Airsoft and BB this will help your transition from air to firearms 

    I’ve actually talked with Umarex about using an heavier slide system to increase recoil (what many do not realize is that this is what actually produces much of your recoil in firearms 

    While most quality practice to protect units use a mag with the same amount of rounds as the real thing some allow for more load your mags with the same amount of rounds so you “learn” your proper drops and reload 

    15 to 20 feet (Airsoft)  is a good effective practice range but get much further and your drop is going to start effecting muscle memory so it’s not really an effective tool for long distance drills just as Michael said 

    Airsoft is a GREAT tool for home invasion drills allowing you to sim out different situations and shooting angles along with learning choke points blind spots and backstop issues 

     

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    Oh interesting!!! My AEA HP semi auto seems to be perfect for this kind of training!!! It even has heavy trigger and good amount of "recoil"/mechanical vibration like a good AR. Only downside the the mag change.It even has most of the ergonomics of an AR and 10 round mags. Oh this could be good!

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    Willie14228
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    When your not worrying about blowing through hundreds of dollars in ammo it is a lot of fun and you can focus on the challenge of the drills

    It does not replace range time it enhances your range time by allowing you to build your muscle memory so you can then focus on fine tuning 

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    ghoststalker
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    I could see this type of thing really taking off, pistol would interest me more then rifle tough. 

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    I could see this type of thing really taking off, pistol would interest me more then rifle tough. 

    I'll give it a try with a c02 pistol as well. But I'm sure it'll be limited to close range only.

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    I could see this type of thing really taking off, pistol would interest me more then rifle tough. 

    I'll give it a try with a c02 pistol as well. But I'm sure it'll be limited to close range only.

    It would be really cool if you would add a sling to the L2, then transition to the co2 pistol at close range or before reloading.

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    I could see this type of thing really taking off, pistol would interest me more then rifle tough. 

    I'll give it a try with a c02 pistol as well. But I'm sure it'll be limited to close range only.

    It would be really cool if you would add a sling to the L2, then transition to the co2 pistol at close range or before reloading.

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    Yep, any training helps with muscle memory, trigger control, follow through, and what it comes down to is "TRIGGER TIME" which is essential. You basically begin to learn what works for you and what doesn't. 

    When I won the AZPRC long range steel series, in 2011 and 2012, from 300Y to 1450Y, a guy came up and asked me what my secret was. I replied, I practice and compete with PCP airguns and have been for many years. He had that "smashed cat on the highway" expression on his face, seriously he did, lol. I went on to explain how everything except recoil control crossed over from firearms to airguns and visa versa. Especially learning wind effects and not being intimidated how far out to aim for it when that's what's needed. Of course I also practiced with my long range tactical rifle too but I had an excellent foundation via airguns.

    This happened with pistol too except backwards. I was always a good centerfire pistol shot in speed events, getting as far as B stock world champion at the American Handgunner World Shootoff. When I bought my Steyr LP5 semi auto I was able to hone my level of precision much higher with it. Instead of just head shots on USPSA targets I had learned that A's in the head were not hard anymore with my centerfire, though it does take slowing down a tad to do so which doesn't do a guy much good in USPSA games. It definitely pays off when there's hard cover and hostages everywhere on a stage!!! 

    Fun series Michael! Keep up the good work.

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    Michael

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    I could see this type of thing really taking off, pistol would interest me more then rifle tough. 

    I'll give it a try with a c02 pistol as well. But I'm sure it'll be limited to close range only.

    Most pistol home self defense scenarios are limited to no more than 8 yards so CO2 Pistols are perfect for such training.

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