SWFA 1×6 HD FFP MIL/MIL vs Burris XTR11 1.5X8 FFP MIL/MIL on Ed-Gun Leshiy

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    jwrabbit123
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    Burris XTR 11 CQ mil reticle

     

    Swfa 1×6 HD circle MIL scale

     

    OK I tried both on my Leshiy , i  wanted to post my thoughts , while I am not a fan of fixed parallax scopes or and lighted circle in a scope for a pcp gun , choices are limited on a short scope for the leshiy here we go

    SWFA

    I  love the turrets on the SWFA I use scope  , and dialing is 100% , for a fixed parallax  it is clear not blurry at 15 yards , it is durable , retail $999 , on sale specials  $599 at times Lifetime warranty

    Burris

    xtr 11 1.5×8 mil reticle  $1199 retail on sale $649 optics planet with code

    34mm tube is very nice , bigger field of view ,

    I cant see reticle at 1.5 and 2x and sometimes 3x , but from 4x to 8x it is fine , I wish they made a darker reticle or a bit thicker , but I thing the scope s  like 2 scopes

    its a scope from 4 to 8x

    and a red dot below this

    It is better suited for an AR type gun

    The glass is good , The turrets clicks are very defined I do not like the zero stop when you set it , it does not go past zero

    The turrets seem off a bit on this scope not as repeatable as the SWFA

    and lastly the image is blurry below say 30 yards unless u drop power to say 2x but then I cant see reticle well so , it is a fair optic for this

     

    WINNER——— SWFA 1X6HD

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    jNc
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    I agree with your thoughts. "Horseshoe" reticles are truly just for cqb type guns as they're developed for fast sight acquisition against human sized targets, so not the best option for airguns. Happy to see you're topping your Leshiy with good glass. Leshiy ain't cheap, so it deserves quality glass. I run mine with Vortex Spitfire 3x when I want to just plink around and deliver some heavy chunks of lead for steel plates. :)

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    correct Jnc they were not designed for this ,  how is the clarity of vortex say at 30 yards?

     

    next scope for leshily I try is the US-optic 1×6 svs check out reticle

     

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    The clarity is flawless in my opinion. Even though the parallax is fixed to 100yds, the image and reticle is very sharp at closer distances.. unfortunately this is not always the case with these low magnificication battle scopes, but vortex performs very well. Illumination is also decent, but in low light situations the reticle is a bit too bright even at lowest setting for my taste.

    That reticle looks great, for low-mag scopes, illuminated center dot is something I prefer!

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    jwrabbit123
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    Well JNC there is something to be said about a straight power optic as , the optical quality is better then the same power setting  in a variable power scope because of less parts . mainly lens to line up

    Your vortex is a prism scope , which to be honest is much more rugged compared to a regular type fixed power scope , less parts as well and they are more compact then a regular scope which is a plus too

    well also for battle a prism scope usually has glass etched reticle so say the battery bit the bone or it got wet you can still use reticle  which is another plus

    with a red dot if batteries go , , you better hope you got a back up or iron sights , electronics can always fail

    Thiis is why I always get ffp scopes If range finders fail , you can still get an idea of distance

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    That is true. I use only FFP scopes also.. my af .223 has falcon m18+, but not completely happy with it. The glass quality could be better and there's also 3-4% error in the reticle, so for more precise distance measurements, I have to calculate some additional stuff – not good. This is the last "cheap" high-mag scope I'll ever buy, lesson learned. Something like Steiner M5Xi or S&B PM2 would be a excellent choice.

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    both are excellent optics I do own both ,mine both have 0 error ,  They are both teir 1 , I like the glass and  features better on the PM2 , but I am a fan of german glass . However the pm2 5×25 has tunneling issues and one who runs one knows this , but on the hi end it is hands down still one of the best ultra long range optics mine does 26.5 mils elevation , I run the p4f   in mine ffp  and it is awesome ,

    The stiener is a great optic , both are heavy 34mm tubes for long rnge though I have put them on my pcp now and then lol

     

    I know what you mean with hi power cheaper glass you zoom in on distortion I like good glass , I  rather have a 10x quality glass

    then a poorly designed 25x

    HI mags are made for marketing just like break barrle air guns with 1400 fps people want the fastest and the most mag  but it is not the best

    for a low price point scope with good glass I like swfa fixed 10x this is battle proven and  for $299 retail it cant be beat , I have run them on some mag rifles and never killed one yet

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    Have you considered Vortex? I'm a big fan for their Viper PST line, especially the gen 2's. I put a 1-6×24 PST gen 2 on my Leshiy and it's excellent. I wanted a bit more magnification and adjustable parallax so I upgraded to a 2-10×32 FFP gen 2 PST. So now I have that 1-6×24 sitting in the box doing nothing. I might just make somebody a smokin' deal, PM me if you're interested. 

     

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    jwrabbit123
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    no   the scope pictured has adjustable objective do they got it in ffp?

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    Paul_R
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    The scope pictured does not have adjustable objective and only comes in SFP.

    http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-gen-2-1-6×24-riflescope-with-vmr-2-mrad-reticle

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    jwrabbit123 good to hear your thoughts about S&B and Steiner.. because not sure which one I eventually get. One thing is sure though, it's going to be with MSR reticle for sure. Not only because I'm from Finland, but because I think it's hands down the best all around reticle available at the moment. And yes, I'm going to put it on my PCP. :D

    Its funny that people spend several thousand to premium pcp gun and then top it with chinese super ultra zoom scope, where the usable mag is around 15x at max, poor tracking reliability, error in reticle, parallax issues.. they're basically ruining the gun. Or they maybe happy with the 30x and all the side effects the sub $1000 scope delivers, but once they look through a real scope, they realize something.. :) You get what you pay for, and this is very true with any optics. There are some expections though, but usually they're fixed low mag scopes, like the legendary SWFA 10x.. the 20x mag version is a whole different story.

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    OK well both pm2 and m series stiener are world class optics, If I  had to buy a sb now  and money was no issue Id get the 3×27 or 5×45 , as u know the 5×25 is discounted  in USA they can be had new on internet for $2300 for the 5×25 with most rets in ffp ,they were 4000 a few years back 

    If you go with pm2 , the MTC turrets are better  they are a larger more defined clicks , the turrest on the pm2 are some of best turrets out the , the only sb which has tunneling is 5×25 you can see side of tube till 6.5 on all of them .. I know in recient few years some pm2 have had a few issues with spots on lens and also some say blurry , they ued different lube for turrets and it gets in glass , make sure yours is good , the 3×27 is better optic but in usa too pricy for me , I  accually won mine in a long range shoot ,

    You  know what  the 3×12  super bright is a sweet optic it is 4k in usa optics trader has it for $2300 ,

    check the IOR recon and crusader  40mm tune these are done properly probably only scope u can really dial to the mag the scope has . There is a guy on here who uses them on his pcp guns top optic my next one is recon or recon 2 I see 2 used now and I see crusader discounted 40% from optics trader  then here In usa  so I like my glass but I like to get a good deal as well , as many scopes I test and sell at a loss but I love my glass

     

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    PM2 5-25 is just over 3k€ here in Finland and Europe in general, which is around $3500 while M5Xi 5-25 sells for 2500€, so there's a noticeable price different. But yeah, read about the tunneling issue at lower magnifications, but it ain't a dealbreaker for me propably, because I rarely dial below 6x.

    The IOR Recon is very interesting, but sadly I've heard few stories about the quality issues they have. Anyway the glass is superior in them.

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    The sb has better glass its best strong point is the tracking the clicks being super defined having unbreakable best 2 turn turrets 5 point system  in the world , turrets and glass are better on the sb then the m5 but Steiner is lifetime sb I think is 20 yrs or lifetime , both good this way . Both lighted parts afr very good , the Steiner is a very rugged scope it is being deployed as is the PM2 both can be ccw or many different features and reticles , I believe both tier 1 world class optics and both in 34mm , I think in USA now certain [email protected] can be had under $2300 it is PF$ or mildot illum ffp mil or moa , but if you get the digital with h59 in tan , with mtc turrets this is till over 4/k , the Steiner is running about 2800 up to 3500 , I got mine demo at a photo shop almost 40% off , I cant see either of these scopes ever breaking they both are military grade

    Just curious what have you heard bad about recon this is on my list to get ?I have never heard of anything bad and the recon 2 I have no friends with yet

    one last scope if you don't want to spend this much money which  believe is a very good scope here in USA they also discounted I also use one and to me it is better on 5x then pm2 and as reliable it is Steiner T5x25x56 has same features and half the price here in USA I don't know there they are great a few years ago they had issues with turrets you can tell by the scope turret if it doesn't have a logo they are the bad turrets if it has a Steiner emblem lazered in it is the good turrets they were taken off shelves and upgraded USA in 2016  i believe

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    Have you considered Vortex? I'm a big fan for their Viper PST line, especially the gen 2's. I put a 1-6×24 PST gen 2 on my Leshiy and it's excellent. I wanted a bit more magnification and adjustable parallax so I upgraded to a 2-10×32 FFP gen 2 PST. So now I have that 1-6×24 sitting in the box doing nothing. I might just make somebody a smokin' deal, PM me if you're interested. 

     

    Paul do you happen to have a picture of the 2x10x32 gen 2?

    i've been waiting on a Dedal Stalker for months😰

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    I been waiting to try a stalker too

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    Paul do you happen to have a picture of the 2x10x32 gen 2?

    i've been waiting on a Dedal Stalker for months😰

    As a matter of fact I do…

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